Hotter AMG GT R coming for 2017 with 550-600 horsepower - Spyphotos, video

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We have known for a while that a higher performance C190 AMG GT platform vehicle was in the works. Nobody seemed to know what it would be called though. Would the Black Series name be used? Some reports even stated that the car would be called the AMG GT GT3.

Well, it is pretty clear at this point the GT3 name is for the Mercedes-AMG GT3 race car and not for a road car. The head of AMG Tobia Moers stated a Black Series variant would follow the AMG GT S or in other words a higher performance AMG GT variant would eventually launch. Shortly after that announcement he said it would not be called a Black Series.

That did not make sense at the time but if the car is called an AMG GT R it suddenly does make sense. Expect the vehicle to receive suspension pieces inspired by the GT3 race car and for the M178 twin turbo 4.0 liter V8 powerplant to be tweaked to 550-600 horsepower.

What those tweaks entail we do not know but we certainly hope it is more than just software. Considering the SLS Black Series received substantial engine changes we expect Mercedes-AMG to do the same here.

The motor is only one part but revised brakes, aerodynamics, wheels, tires, and even an active aero system is expected. Not to mention all wheel steering and rumor has it a new 9-speed dual clutch transmission might make it in. If they combine all of this with some weight savings the AMG GT R will be a track monster.

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I wouldn't expect too many changes to the motor internals. The SLS Black Series was extensively modified to support a much higher redline. One a turbo motor, increasing the redline by much would mean they need to up-size the turbos and associated plumbing enough to support higher flow at higher RPM which would be tough to do without increasing turbo lag.

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I wouldn't expect too many changes to the motor internals. The SLS Black Series was extensively modified to support a much higher redline. One a turbo motor, increasing the redline by much would mean they need to up-size the turbos and associated plumbing enough to support higher flow at higher RPM which would be tough to do without increasing turbo lag.

It's a good point you make regarding the SLS Black Series needing the extensive modification but I would hope they change the turbos here and maybe rev it out a bit as well.

Just a different tune isn't going to cut it.

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The new 4.0 they are developing is said to be good to 720. Whats more interesting is to see if this new GT R will share that engine with the Aston 11.

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The new 4.0 they are developing is said to be good to 720. Whats more interesting is to see if this new GT R will share that engine with the Aston 11.

Where did you hear that?

Technically the current motor is good for 720+.

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I don't mean from a tuner perspective, i mean from engine ratings from AMG.
The current motor is only rated for 620. They are very strict when it comes to outputs.
It sets the potential life span of the motor. how long they can keep it in the line before they have to design a new motors. they had to redesign it as to not having to maintain 2 engines lines for Aston

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I don't mean from a tuner perspective, i mean from engine ratings from AMG.
The current motor is only rated for 620. They are very strict when it comes to outputs.
It sets the potential life span of the motor. how long they can keep it in the line before they have to design a new motors. they had to redesign it as to not having to maintain 2 engines lines for Aston

Ok but what do you mean rated for 620? Where is it rated that? Internally?

I mean redesigning it entails what exactly? Cams/turbos/tuning? The same basic architecture remains I imagine.

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Same thing they are doing to the new 2.0 engine. I am not allowed to share the bits of info i heard on public forums.
But i am sure you can find Tonias mentioning the engine ratings on a few occasions

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Same thing they are doing to the new 2.0 engine. I am not allowed to share the bits of info i heard on public forums.
But i am sure you can find Tonias mentioning the engine ratings on a few occasions

Are you involved with AMG in some way?

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Not directly, but have seen the new motors on test sleds as well as the ERS - KERS and V12 prototypes, exciting times ahead indeed. don't be surprised to see a new 1.6L replacing the 2.0 in the next few years utilizing ERS. The biggest hiccup is to switch from 12V to something much higher to say 48V. Its not as easily said as done, that would let them be able to spool those 1.6L to insane levels. even if the cost to create them would be astronomical vs the standard engine, they have already proven to be able to make the 2.0 work (at a high cost that is - sans reliability that is) They can make a 450hp 1.6L with 0 lag sustainable if they can get the cost down of a 48 or 60V system with higher amps to push the ERS and potentially KERS system. They are at least 2 year ahead of everyone else on this

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Forgot to add that unlike the current 2L thats at it close to its max of 398 the new re designed 2L will sustain them for some time (445), they got it dailed in pretty well with th second revision and it should sustain the line for at least 4 years. unless the competition catches up to them it will be around for some time, no need to rush tot the 1.6L, the new 4L should push 800 but they are aiming for a lifespan total of 720, so they might come out with a 600 or 650 R or put 650 into the DB11, but don't think they will come right out with they 720 max. it does not make sense from a engine lifespan perspective, they need to get their R&D they put into that back as well as parts etcetera recouped, you generally don't want to churn out a new motor every 2 years, when you could rather just flash it and fix nagging design issues, aston martin had the same engine / ford for 12 years.

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Not directly, but have seen the new motors on test sleds

Where would you even see this?

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Forgot to add that unlike the current 2L thats at it close to its max of 398 the new re designed 2L will sustain them for some time (445), they got it dailed in pretty well with th second revision and it should sustain the line for at least 4 years.

This is a new motor with a new designation that is not M133? It is a new ground up design?

Sounds like they intend to stay at the top of four-cylinder performance.

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Well its the testbed for the V8 in many ways. the new 2.0 won't require a new designation as they are just making subtle metallurgical and intake changes. but adds allot of headroom for them.

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Where would you even see this?

You know i can't tell you that

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In some way i am ok with them buying Aston but on the other end, I want a Mercedes super car. I fear if they buy aston they would make it the uber brand. I just don't see that in their DNA, Then again. They do make a halo car once in a while but AMG has been so successful that they had to kick out the other folks to make room to grow their AMG engine building so they are focused on making bank now and less on being a boutique shop. Its almost like you want them to make a AMG AMG factory. to build the one off silly, turned up to 11 models like they use to.. give us a AMG hammer again please........

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In some way i am ok with them buying Aston but on the other end, I want a Mercedes super car. I fear if they buy aston they would make it the uber brand. I just don't see that in their DNA, Then again. They do make a halo car once in a while but AMG has been so successful that they had to kick out the other folks to make room to grow their AMG engine building so they are focused on making bank now and less on being a boutique shop. Its almost like you want them to make a AMG AMG factory. to build the one off silly, turned up to 11 models like they use to.. give us a AMG hammer again please........

I really don't see any problem with technology sharing between them. AMG should supply them. It's good for AMG and just means more money anyway. Aston has to pay for the engines.

A complete takeover is something different entirely.

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Well its the testbed for the V8 in many ways. the new 2.0 won't require a new designation as they are just making subtle metallurgical and intake changes. but adds allot of headroom for them.

So the new 2.0 will still be an M133 but a revised M133?

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My "guess" would be that they would label the engine the same. its just to new for them to scrap it, they have alllllot of them on the road now. My speculated guess would be that they would have new cylinder linings, pistons, crank and head. As for Aston they share allot more than an engine deal, they are supplying suspension bits as well as interior parts. i mean you very close to complete car at this point so i won't be surprised if they just take them over completely. This creates a brand dilution dilemma, AMG is already very picky (at least in the US) their largest market. to protect AMG brand between the lines. For instance you can't get a legit Brabus kit here like you can everywhere else. I mean you can but Mercedes won't honor the warranty. they don't want for instance a C63 of the showroom destroy a E63 or S63. they like the delineation of lines and I can't seem them mucking with that, But Aston does open them up to sell (and sell at volume) $250K cars, but for me I think Mercedes can do it now without the need for Aston. I remembered when the 911 Turbo use to be 120K now they go for over 220k and that was less than 10 years ago. Mercedes has the hardware, tech and brand to do it, and I hope they do

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Forgot to add that the new 2017 e63's would probably be the first to get the NEW 4.0L V8

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Forgot to add that the new 2017 e63's would probably be the first to get the NEW 4.0L V8

This is what I have heard as well except they should have 600 horsepower.

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Yes, which would be interesting seeing as I can't imagine them making a GT R with 600HP, I mean I would love to see that but don't think they will give it that much more HP than the GTs. They might just keep the standard GTs motor and tweak it to 560..

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Yes, which would be interesting seeing as I can't imagine them making a GT R with 600HP, I mean I would love to see that but don't think they will give it that much more HP than the GTs. They might just keep the standard GTs motor and tweak it to 560..

Perhaps.

Either way I think what is clear here and should be clear to everyone is that this architecture has for more in it and will be with us for a while.