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    Official - Here are the turbocharged 2017 991.2 Carrera and Carrera S models - 10 seconds faster Nurburgring lap, 370/420 horsepower, 331/368 lb-ft

    Finally the new turbocharged 991.2 models have been revealed. The Carrera and Carrera S are now officially boosted. The cars both share a 3.0 liter motor as speculated. The only difference between the Carrera and Carrera S motors now is the exhaust, compressor wheels, and engine tuning.

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    Porsche is quite specific about this:

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    New turbocharged engines: 20 horsepower increase, reduced fuel consumption.The completely new engine generation featuring twin-turbo technology enhances the driving pleasure of the 911 Carrera and provides a 20 hp increase compared to the previous models. The 3.0 liter engine in the standard Carrera now develops 370 hp. Using turbochargers with modified compressor wheels, a model-specific exhaust system, and a different tune for the engine management system, the 911 Carrera S delivers 420 hp from the same displacement.
    So the incentive to go for the Carrera S over the Carrera is the fact the S turbochargers are capable of more power. PorscheBoost stated two months ago this would likely be the case:

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    It makes sense from a bottom line standpoint but we would be shocked if no major hardware differences separated the Carrera and Carrera S. Perhaps Porsche will give the Carrera S bigger turbos for this reason as they are not stupid and know people tune turbocharged Porsches.
    To further toot our own horn for a second, we were quite close on predicting the power figures:

    The 991.2 Carrera is expected to go to a twin turbo 2.7 liter flat-6 with ~375 horsepower and ~331 lb-ft of torque. The Carrera S is expected to get a larger 2.9-3.0 liter motor with ~425 horsepower and ~376 lb-ft of torque.
    The actual numbers are 370 horsepower and 331 lb-ft of torque for the Carrera and 420 horsepower and 368 lb-ft of torque for the Carrera S. Hey, nobody is perfect. We were off by 5 horsepower on the Carrera and Carrera S.

    The new motors are obviously the focal point here but the Carrera is 10 seconds quicker around the Nurburgring hitting a ridiculously impressive 7 minutes and 30 seconds. To put this time in context the 997.2 GT3 RS 4.0 laps the Nurburgring in 7 minutes and 27 seconds and the Carrera GT did a 7:28 in the hands of Walter Rohrl. The time is so fast for a Carrera S it is almost unbelievable.

    The styling gets minor changes and thankfully the rear exhaust setup seen on test cars was ditched in production. The Carrera and Carrera S both look fantastic.

    Well, that is the end of the line for the naturally aspirated Carrera. It was a hell of a run. The new car is a worthy successor and fortunately we have still have the naturally aspirated GT3 in the lineup.

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    The sports car legend enhanced: the new Porsche 911 Carrera
    New turbocharged engines, an advanced chassis, and new Porsche Communication Management

    Atlanta, Georgia. Celebrating its debut at the Frankfurt International Auto Show, the new 911 Carrera is taking performance and everyday usability to new heights. Innovative flat-six engines derived from four decades of turbocharging used in racing and on road cars not only make this the fastest 911 Carrera ever, but also provide abundant torque for superior passing power. An advanced chassis offering an even more sophisticated combination of ride comfort and performance characterizes the handling of the new 911. For the first time, rear-axle steering is available as an option for the Carrera S, significantly enhancing its already superb agility. These improvements reduce the lap time on the North Loop of the Nürburgring to just 7 minutes and 30 seconds, making it 10 seconds faster than the previous Carrera S.

    Many exterior features of the 911 Carrera have been visually refined from new headlights with four-point daytime running lights to integrated door handle recesses, a redesigned rear deck lid with vertical louvers, and new rear lights – including the characteristic four-point brake lights. The new standard Porsche Communication Management system with a multi-touch display offers an expanded range of functions and simplified usability.

    New turbocharged engines: 20 horsepower increase, reduced fuel consumption
    The completely new engine generation featuring twin-turbo technology enhances the driving pleasure of the 911 Carrera and provides a 20 hp increase compared to the previous models. The 3.0 liter engine in the standard Carrera now develops 370 hp. Using turbochargers with modified compressor wheels, a model-specific exhaust system, and a different tune for the engine management system, the 911 Carrera S delivers 420 hp from the same displacement.

    The new Porsche 911 Carrera and Carrera S engines are characterized by significantly increased torque. Offering up to 331 lb.-ft. and 368 lb.-ft., respectively, from 1,700 rpm up to 5,000 rpm, both powertrains supply generous torque over a broad powerband. Reaching up to 7,500 rpm, the new engine generation also maintains relatively high engine speeds for a turbocharged powertrain – accompanied by the familiar Porsche sound.

    Traditionally, a new 911 offers enhanced performance and efficiency compared to the predecessor. Depending on the model variant, the new engines are almost twelve percent more efficient compared to the previous generation according to the New European Drive Cycle (NEDC). EPA ratings will be available at a later date.

    The new 911 models also boast impressive performance: the 911 Carrera Coupé with Porsche-Doppelkupplung (PDK) and Sport Chrono Package sprints from zero to 60 miles per hour in 4.0 seconds – making it two tenths of a second faster than its predecessor. The 911 Carrera S with PDK and Sport Chrono Package needs just 3.7 seconds (also 0.2 s faster). Both models reach higher top track speeds: the 911 Carrera is now able to reach 183 miles per hour, while the 911 Carrera S can achieve up to 191 miles per hour. All new Carrera variants are offered with a manual seven-speed transmission as standard.

    When equipped with the optional Sport Chrono Package, the 911 Carrera now comes with a mode switch on the steering wheel, derived from the hybrid map switch in the 918 Spyder. The mode switch consists of a rotary dial with four positions for the driving modes Normal, Sport, Sport Plus, and Individual. Depending on the optional equipment installed in the car, the Individual setting allows drivers to configure their own specific vehicle set-up for the chassis, Auto Start/Stop system, PDK shifting strategy, and Sport Exhaust System. On models equipped with the PDK transmission, the mode switch has a "Sport Response" button, which pre-conditions the drivetrain for maximum acceleration.

    A standard feature: reengineered PASM with chassis lowered by ten millimeters
    The uniqueness of the 911 Carrera stems from its ability to blend refined everyday comfort with exceptional performance. On the new generation, Porsche has increased the dynamic capability even further than before. The revised PASM chassis (Porsche Active Suspension Management), which lowers the ride height by ten millimeters, is a standard feature. It helps improve driver control during fast cornering. New shock absorbers enhance comfort thanks to an even more precise response characteristic and improved body control during spirited driving. New standard wheels with five twin spokes are equipped with tires that offer reduced rolling resistance and enhanced grip. Furthermore, the width of the rear rims has been increased by 0.5 to 11.5 inches on all variants. The rear tires of the 911 Carrera S now measure 305 instead of 295 millimeters in width.

    Rear-axle steering is available as an option for the 911 Carrera S, adopted from the current 911 Turbo and 911 GT3. It further enhances the turn-in behavior of the 911. Additionally, it increases driving precision when changing lanes at higher speeds. At the same time, it ensures greater maneuverability in city traffic thanks to a turning radius that is 1.6 feet smaller than without this option. The improved handling is transmitted to the driver via the new steering wheel generation with a design based on the steering wheel from the 918 Spyder. For enhanced everyday practicality, Porsche offers an optional electro-hydraulic lift system with lifting cylinders that are integrated into the front axle struts. At the touch of a button, the ground clearance at the front axle is increased by 40 millimeters within 5 seconds. This is particularly useful when clearing speed bumps or steep driveways.

    New Porsche Communication Management including online navigation
    A standard feature of the new 911 Carrera models is the newly developed Porsche Communication Management System (PCM), including an online navigation module. The PCM can be operated by multi-touch gestures on the seven-inch display, similar to a smartphone. Handwritten user inputs are recognized. Mobile phones and smartphones can now also be connected via Wi-Fi. Also new is the option of connecting an iPhone® to the PCM to utilize Apple CarPlay™.

    Real-time traffic information is available for significantly enhanced navigation. It gives the driver a quick overview of the traffic situation and guarantees dynamic adaptation of the route to this information. Google® Earth and Google® Streetview are also being integrated for the first time to offer better orientation. Porsche Car Connect and the Connect Plus module can be used for remotely controlled vehicle functions, transferring destinations to the PCM for navigation and streaming music using third-party service providers via the PCM.

    New and extended optional assistance systems
    The 911 Carrera also offers enhanced active safety through new and improved assistance systems. Post-collision braking is a standard feature, and the cruise control now brakes moderately when the pre-set speed is exceeded, for example when driving downhill. The Adaptive Cruise Control (ACC) option has been upgraded with a coasting function in conjunction with the PDK transmission. The optional Lane Change Assistant monitors traffic approaching from behind with radar and uses LED lights to the left and right of the mirror triangle to warn the driver of vehicles in the blind spot.

    Market launch in March 2016
    The new Porsche 911 Carrera models will be launched in the United States in March of 2016. Manufacturer's suggested retail prices start as follows:
    911 Carrera $89,400
    911 Carrera S $103,400
    911 Carrera Cabriolet $101,700
    911 Carrera S Cabriolet $115,700

    40 years' turbo experience in motorsport and series production
    At Porsche, innovations and developments that have proved themselves under extreme racing conditions benefit production models, too. Testing in motorsport ensures the performance and resilience of the new engines for production sports cars. In the development of turbocharged six-cylinder flat engines Porsche can look back on more than 40 years of experience. For example, turbocharging with a bypass valve was first used in 1972 in the 917/10 racing car before entering series production in 1974 in the first 911 Turbo. In 1974, charge air cooling was also first introduced in the 917/10. In 1977, this technology then celebrated its premiere in the 911 Turbo 3.3. Further milestones in the development of turbo engines include sequential turbocharging with two consecutive chargers (for the first time in the 959), twin-turbo charging with two parallel chargers (for the first time in the 911 Turbo, type 993) and adjustable intake valves (for the first time in the 911 Turbo, type 996).

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    The front end looks a million times better now.

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    I absolutely love it. But $90k for a base Carrera without options now? Ouch.

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    Does the Carrera still come with open diff? 100k car with no LSD wtf!

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    Tuners must be doing cart wheels now.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by George Smooth Click here to enlarge
    Tuners must be doing cart wheels now.
    No doubt about it.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 93siro Click here to enlarge
    Does the Carrera still come with open diff? 100k car with no LSD wtf!
    There's no option?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    There's no option?
    There should be. There was PVD package or something similar that gave the 991.1 Carrera LSD. But my point is, 100k sports car doesnt have LSD?? Porsche prices are now officially absurd.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by SpeedLimit? Click here to enlarge
    I wonder if the Sports exhaust system's centralized exhaust tips mean that it will remove or reduce the size of the large center muffler compared to the normal Carrera S exhaust with quad tips (as seen on the red cars above).

    It definitely sounds gorgeous in that video!

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    Good to see the official numbers. One of the coolest things that is easy to overlook is the rear steering option on the S!
    No wonder it is so fast around the ring.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by SpeedLimit? Click here to enlarge
    I'm trying to figure out why the exhaust system in the video for the Carrera S is different than the press photos.

    I guess that is just for the 'Sports Exhaust' system?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by subaru335i Click here to enlarge
    Good to see the official numbers. One of the coolest things that is easy to overlook is the rear steering option on the S!
    No wonder it is so fast around the ring.
    Exactly. Make a gigantic difference.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 93siro Click here to enlarge
    There should be. There was PVD package or something similar that gave the 991.1 Carrera LSD. But my point is, 100k sports car doesnt have LSD?? Porsche prices are now officially absurd.
    The prices are crazy.

    I want to pick one up just to bring in more Porsche people but a Carrera will cost 100k with basic options now.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    The prices are crazy.

    I want to pick one up just to bring in more Porsche people but a Carrera will cost 100k with basic options now.
    Although now that the Carrera is factory turbo you should be able to get a lot more bang for your buck with a tune/bolt ons. A modified 3L twin turbo carrera 4S will be potent and might give GTR's a run for their money. Base GTR's are 100k+ now so maybe the pricing isn't too crazy.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by subaru335i Click here to enlarge
    A modified 3L twin turbo carrera 4S will be potent and might give GTR's a run for their money.
    It's definitely not going to do that.

    It will be potent but not to that degree. The Turbo has its hands full with the GTR and it has almost a liter more displacement.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by subaru335i Click here to enlarge
    Base GTR's are 100k+ now so maybe the pricing isn't too crazy.
    Yeah but it's a Nissan. Yeah yeah, a highly capable Nissan but Porsche is Porsche.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    I'm trying to figure out why the exhaust system in the video for the Carrera S is different than the press photos.

    I guess that is just for the 'Sports Exhaust' system?
    Good eye, maybe the photo retoucher used 991 photos and missed that detail because those photos look like past press release photos re-composited with a new background.
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    Believe the double center exhaust is for Sports Exhaust. , quad tip is the normal S exhaust and non S is the wide double (more oval tips)
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    Quad tip looks a billion times better.

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    Looks like the Carrera S is a good candidate for 11s in 1/4 mile.. The LC in Porsches just work, no doubt about that!

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    I think the Carrera and Carrera S will both be able to do 11's. Probably even on street tires.

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