Article: Should BMW build a 2015 F22 M2 and if they do what would it look and perform like?

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people would baulk at paying $120k for a GT3 competitor and I feel like they would sit on the lot.

The GTS sold out at this price point.

Porsche sells a fraction of what BMW does....

That's why it should be easier for BMW to do enthusiast models as they have so much volume elsewhere.

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The GTS sold out at this price point.

That's why it should be easier for BMW to do enthusiast models as they have so much volume elsewhere.

Right... Look at the 1M that sold out even with dealers adding mark-ups to the car. And that car is nothing compared to what an M2 would be if built as I described. Plus, the GT3 is priced so high because it's based on a car that retails for $80k to start. Hopping up a car that starts in the $30k range puts you into the $50-60k range, totally reasonable for the performance that car would have.

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Plus, the GT3 is priced so high because it's based on a car that retails for $80k to start.

Exactly, not apples to apples. Regardless, there is a market for enthusiast BMW models obviously. An M2 that is focused as a driver's car would find a market especially considering it would cost half of a GT3.

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How happy would you be as an M3/4 owner, if you were able to get better performance - and have the same drivetrain/components/etc. for less money? It's not going to happen. It would be like offering the 1M instead with the S65B40 - and selling it for 50k - it wouldn't make much sense, and the M3 owners would be a little upset...

Of course they didn't complain (re: Z3M/Z4M) - because it was still priced the same.

My point was that if they have a lower model car for less money, and we already have the M235i (or whatever) - what possibly could this thing really be? IDK - I am not sure if it's coming across right - basically, I just don't see a market for this car if it's powered by a true M motor - it would HAVE to cost nearly the same as the M3 - at that point, what's the point?

I am an M3 owner it wouldn't bother me one bit, but that's probably because I would have bought an M2 instead of such a thing was available. I came close to getting a 1M but I already had an N55 135i and still have an N54 335is so I really wanted the S65. An S65 in an E82/F22 size car would literally make me cry from excitement.

You are right, though, that if it cost almost the same as an M4 there wouldn't be that much of a point in the car but personally I think it would be cool to just have the same car in different sizes. For ~$57k you can get an M2 which is lighter but doesn't have too much space in the back or in the trunk and for ~$63-65k you can get an M4 with more space for people and luggage and a longer, sleeker body (vs the upright badass stance of the M2) and it's just a few hundred pounds heavier. This makes perfect sense to me but it would be difficult to market it to the average person who, as you said, would see it as a poor man's M4.

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I am an M3 owner it wouldn't bother me one bit, but that's probably because I would have bought an M2 instead of such a thing was available. I came close to getting a 1M but I already had an N55 135i and still have an N54 335is so I really wanted the S65. An S65 in an E82/F22 size car would literally make me cry from excitement.

You are right, though, that if it cost almost the same as an M4 there wouldn't be that much of a point in the car but personally I think it would be cool to just have the same car in different sizes. For ~$57k you can get an M2 which is lighter but doesn't have too much space in the back or in the trunk and for ~$63-65k you can get an M4 with more space for people and luggage and a longer, sleeker body (vs the upright badass stance of the M2) and it's just a few hundred pounds heavier. This makes perfect sense to me but it would be difficult to market it to the average person who, as you said, would see it as a poor man's M4.

Yeah, I agree - I REALLY love that rendering - and am always for a lighter/smaller car. I am glad the next M will be - but they should have gave us the 1M with a true S motor to begin with - I would bought one (almost) regardless of the damn price.

I am curious what we end up with.

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No chance of a high revving NA motor at al.

Yep - and that sucks. I don't think we will see another good NA motor come out of BMW or M for a LONG time... It's all about "efficient dynamics" instead of the ultimate driving machine unfortunately. Don't get me wrong, I am not hating on BMW - I just wish they would at least give the choice like Porsche.

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What if it sounds like this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMGPg8kFrFQ

I think I might literally sell my soul for an M2 that sounded like that. Unfortunately, we might never hear a 4 cylinder like that ever again, especially in any BMW. The N20 doesn't exactly stir me with emotion.

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Hot redheads stir me with emotion. What this has to do with this thread I have no clue.

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I thought a lot about what engine is going to be in the M2.

I'm fairly confident it will be a S20 based on the N20 (360-380hp) just like how the S55 is based on the N55 and the car will weigh in at about 3100 lbs.

It will be epic.

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I thought a lot about what engine is going to be in the M2.

I'm fairly confident it will be a S20 based on the N20 (360-380hp) just like how the S55 is based on the N55 and the car will weigh in at about 3100 lbs.

It will be epic.

I think you may be right, the cla45 AMG and rs3 will have a market, for BMW to ignore that would be a mistake. A s20 would make sense because the other cars are 4 cylinders. 360-380 hp may be dreaming though, that's way over a stock n20.

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I think you may be right, the cla45 AMG and rs3 will have a market, for BMW to ignore that would be a mistake. A s20 would make sense because the other cars are 4 cylinders. 360-380 hp may be dreaming though, that's way over a stock n20.

350hp then

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I think you may be right, the cla45 AMG and rs3 will have a market, for BMW to ignore that would be a mistake. A s20 would make sense because the other cars are 4 cylinders. 360-380 hp may be dreaming though, that's way over a stock n20.

Mercedes can hit that output so why can't BMW?

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I think.....an M2 with a N55 would make less sense based on the proclaimed M235i.
The M2 with an S55 with lower power by software remap might find a nich market precisely.

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I think.....an M2 with a N55 would make less sense based on the proclaimed M235i.
The M2 with an S55 with lower power by software remap might find a nich market precisely.

The M235i as it sits doesn't leave too much room. We'll see if the RS3 and CLA45 AMG force BMW's hand.

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I think the m2 will be cosmetic/chassis mods only, no engine change except maybe a slight software boost over the m235.

If they put a detuned s55 in it they would be idiotic. I'd buy one in a second and mod it lol

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This is the whole point I do not think BMW is looking as M2 to be in between the M3/M4 and M235i.
In my view they will positioned as M2/M3/M4 as variant classic small couple, mid-range couple and four doors sedan.
BMW noticed for sure the tuning value market they can explore by going to the niche we may see that M4 is much more track alike as previous one. The 1M was just a lab trial.

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This is the whole point I do not think BMW is looking as M2 to be in between the M3/M4 and M235i.
In my view they will positioned as M2/M3/M4 as variant classic small couple, mid-range couple and four doors sedan.
BMW noticed for sure the tuning value market they can explore by going to the niche we may see that M4 is much more track alike as previous one. The 1M was just a lab trial.

I agree that the 1M was a trial run and them seeing what they could get away with. An M2 may be similar.

Nobody knows what they will do but thus far we have no official word from BMW or any M2 models testing. We are all just speculating on what we think they should do.

[grusso]

Yes that's true. It seems M2 with a real M (S55) engine is much more attractive for its target audience than just a M235i with body twist and few performance up grades. We will see.