LAAS 2015 - BMW wants $134,200 for the 2016 F82 M4 GTS

[Sticky]

$132,200 for the new 2016 BMW F82 M4 GTS? The standard M4 starts at $65,400. That means the GTS is just over twice the price of the standard M4. The M4 GTS is going to be rare and offers a very impressive Nurburgring laptime (which BMW has yet to prove or backup) but it is not worth double the price of an M4.

The horsepower and torque are bumped but they are bumped through software. That means any M4 owner today can have the same output of the M4 GTS through the aftermarket (and then some) for a fraction of the cost.

The GTS is lighter due to the rear seats being pulled and the carbon fiber pieces. These weight saving measures add up to around 200 pounds but we have to see independent weight test numbers. If a current M4 owner wants to ditch weight off their car they have options that will not cost them another $65k.

What about the suspension and aerodynamics? These parts can also be sourced in the aftermarket. For someone to pay $134,200 for an M4 GTS if seeking a track car when the Viper ACR exists for almost $20k less they must really, really, really, love BMW and have money to burn.

To BimmerBoost, the M4 GTS is not worth the money for what amounts to a standard M4 on steroids. Especially considering it features the exact same turbo engine and anyone can add a solid water/meth injection system to their M3/M4 today for under a grand. With the E92 M3 GTS one could not just take their S65 V8 from 4.0 liters to 4.4 liter as easily as it is to bump power output and add water injection to the M4.

Despite the ludicrous pricing we certainly are glad BMW built this car and is selling it in the United States so BMW performance enthusiasts finally have something to at least cheer for in performance comparisons.

#LAAS2015

[BMW M4 Power]

The best thing about the GTS, and why I'm glad BMW made it, is that it illustrations what the standard F82 chassis is capable of with a few mods, that anyone can readily/easily get for cheap as the author points out... the new F8X is truly a world class chassis which even jaded track enthusiasts can enjoy despite all its 'grand touring' luxuries...

The $134,000 starting price is entirely a function of its exclusivity and low factory production number (only 700 world wide). In the past manufactures would just add the costs of the extra equipment of the special model along with the regular profit margins for each add on and time invested into engineering it, and the auto dealerships would benefit from the 'true market price' of that hot new models demand... Adding $20,000 (or more to the sticker price). Nowadays the manufacturers themselves (in search for more profit anywhere they can find it) employ their own market research and analyses to estimate what they can gouge out of high end buyers and set the MSRP accordingly. Snagging that mark up away from the dealerships that sell their brand/cars... corporate greed at its finest, and its pretty pathetic. BMW is no exception to this sadly... (along with all its rivals) :/

[Sticky]

the new F8X is truly a world class chassis which even jaded track enthusiasts can enjoy despite all its 'grand touring' luxuries...

Why do you think it is world class? The M4 is doing with power what the previous generations did with finesse.

[BMW M4 Power]

Lol... and?? If your premise of "stated HP numbers" are the litmus test of how great a performance car is that's a pretty sad Sticky Having said that, even using that precedent that new S55's put down 420rwhp STOCK sir. almost 100HP more than a S65. Torque and powerband wise lets not even go there LOL. Not even in the same league. And forget how easy it is to extract extra HP from a simple $795 piggyback being the F8X's are TT out of the box) I've driven both extensively, and on the track* The E92 M3 was quite possibly the worst M3 in the entire lineup. A V8 with no balls, that's overheats easily, gimme a break You've been spending too much time on UR "other" site (benzboost ) ...I've owned every model since the E30. Loved the E36 and especially the E46 S54 M3. I skipped the E92 after seeing its weak performance figures and N/A V8 with no torque. This TT was a no brainer when I saw the out of the box rwhp numbers and brakes they gave her stock... having driven both on the track I can tell you (along with any others at track days) the E92 can't hold a candle to the new platform. Just go to any road course local to you and "real BMW CCA" track guys will school you on that... (and they worked over all the models in question)

The brakes, handling, insane power and torque band, and reflexes are like nothing out of BMW yet... the few both ons the CSL received is a testament of that. But what do I know... just ask all the track instructors, magazine journalist, tuners, BMW itself, etc...

[Sticky]

Lol... and?? If your premise of "stated HP numbers" are the litmus test of how great a performance car is that's a pretty sad Sticky

You did not understand my premise.

aving said that, even using that precedent that new S55's put down 420rwhp STOCK sir. almost 100HP more than a S65. Torque and powerband wise lets not even go there LOL. Not even in the same league.

That's the point I was making. Did you not read where I wrote power and not finesse?

And forget how easy it is to extract extra HP from a simple $795 piggyback being the F8X's are TT out of the box) I've driven both extensively, and on the track* The E92 M3 was quite possibly the worst M3 in the entire lineup. A V8 with no balls, that's overheats easily, gimme a break

So your point is regarding the M4 GTS using power rather than finesse which reinforces my original point? Because to get more torque the E92 M3 GTS used a different crank to get 4.4 liters of displacement. Not just different software. This is stated in the OP. Do you not read?

If you do not understand how a naturally aspirated V8 with independent throttle bodies functions and a smaller turbocharged inline-6 functions we have a whole different discussion here. It is not the topic by the way.

You've been spending too much time on UR "other" site (benzboost ) ...I've owned every model since the E30. Loved the E36 and especially the E46 S54 M3. I skipped the E92 after seeing its weak performance figures and N/A V8 with no torque.

Your point makes sense here considering that the E92 M3 offers the greatest displacement of any M3 ever produced and the highest performance and torque of any naturally aspirated M3. Logical correlation there. Let me know if sarcasm isn't your thing.

his TT was a no brainer when I saw the out of the box rwhp numbers and brakes they gave her stock...

So for the what, third time now, you support my point as stated of the M4 GTS using power over finesse?

the E92 can't hold a candle to the new platform

The M3 GTS has a better laptime than the F82 M4 on the Nurburgring. So does the E46 M3 CSL. Your argument doesn't hold a candle.

The brakes, handling, insane power and torque band, and reflexes are like nothing out of BMW yet... the few both ons the CSL received is a testament of that. But what do I know... just ask all the track instructors, magazine journalist, tuners, BMW itself, etc..

Why? I can just ask myself. I actually know what I'm talking about.

[onisyndicate]

Viper ACR for 120k or this for 132k for this? hmmmm i'll enjoy the lap record king with verification!

[BMW M4 Power]

Sticky your were all bogus to the point dignifying them with a response is laughable. E46 CSL and E92 GTS being faster than a BASE F8X illustrates what!? Not apples vs apples. You convienantly do that often in all your discussions. The N/A V8 was weak in every way and that mistake was corrected by BMW for its successor. The F8X platform is faster in every way than the E92 or older which is brutally obvious to everyone 'in the know. And no offense, but you don't have a clue as to what you're talking as much as you feel. You're many incorrect past posts on a range of topics you had no clue on illustrated this to me (and others) glaringly. (which most I've proved wrong in an embarrassing manner, i.e. the M4 GTS will never touch the 350R's lap time, I bet that hurt ur pussy/ego being it crushed it! lol) Pffst... done arguing the obvious...

[Sticky]

Sticky your were all bogus to the point dignifying them with a response is laughable

I don't blame you for not responding as there is nothing you can say to refute my points. Bowing out with some grace is in your best interest.

E46 CSL and E92 GTS being faster than a BASE F8X illustrates what!? Not apples vs apples.

It illustrates your statement that the E92 can't hold a candle to the new platform is absurd considering there are E92's with less power and torque lapping faster. I thought that was obvious.

You convienantly do that often in all your discussions.

Conveniently do what? Support my points with facts? I'm sorry that is inconvenient when it clashes with your baseless opinions.

The N/A V8 was weak in every way and that mistake was corrected by BMW for its successor. The F8X platform is faster in every way than the E92 or older which is brutally obvious to everyone 'in the know.

Let me know when a next generation M3 is made that is slower than its predecessor. So the E36 means the E30 four-cylinder was a mistake? The E92 means the E46 six-cylinder was a mistake? So every engine is a mistake when the next generation car comes out. Logical. Great analysis.

I do not even understand why you are making this some E92 or S65 V8 vs. S55 or F82 battle other than due to some insecurity.

The 'weak' V8 won back to back ALMS titles. The 'weak' V8 makes over 100 horsepower per liter without turbos. The 'strong' six hasn't done any of that and never will.

BMW 'corrected' something? Yeah, they wanted to lower costs by sharing parts (take a look at the bore x stroke sometime on the N54, N55, and S55) and reduce emissions. Your interpretation is negative, unrealistic, and typical biased fanboy nonsense. It's not even worth the bandwidth.

You're many incorrect past posts on a range of topics you had no clue on illustrated this to me (and others) glaringly. (which most I've proved wrong in an embarrassing manner, i.e. the M4 GTS will never touch the 350R's lap time, I bet that hurt ur pussy/ego being it crushed it! lol) Pffst... done arguing the obvious...

Right, this is why my articles are featured on competing forums and car blogs and yours are featured in your head.

Feel free to list any incorrect points or posts.

You already supported my assertion with the GT350R that it needs to be tested on the same day on the same track with the same driver. I'll take the GT350R in that comparison.

BMW also has yet to prove its Nurburgring claim but who cares as on a track that long times are not set in stone but vary from day to day.

You are having trouble fitting in here as your discourse just is not up to par.

[leo985i]

Fanboy talk right there with this M4 Power guy.

[Sticky]

Fanboy talk right there with this M4 Power guy.

To an annoying level at that.

[N54sSUCK]

the new F8X is truly a world class chassis which even jaded track enthusiasts can enjoy despite all its 'grand touring' luxuries...
:/

World class chassis? Is this some type of joke? Just because it's better than the E9X chassis (Which is a 100% true fact, no personal opinion added) doesn't make the F8X chassis a "world class" anything.. They make good power with a tune and some minor bolt on's, cool as does every modern car with a turbo. Don't be blindly ignorant biased towards a certain chassis on here like some forum members/admins/akasticky..

[Sticky]

Just because it's better than the E9X chassis (Which is a 100% true fact, no personal opinion added)

A fact based on your opinion?

Don't be blindly ignorant biased towards a certain chassis on here like some forum members/admins/akasticky..

Don't create multiple accounts.

Kthxbye

[inlineS54B32]

Lol... and?? If your premise of "stated HP numbers" are the litmus test of how great a performance car is that's a pretty sad Sticky Having said that, even using that precedent that new S55's put down 420rwhp STOCK sir. almost 100HP more than a S65. Torque and powerband wise lets not even go there LOL. Not even in the same league. And forget how easy it is to extract extra HP from a simple $795 piggyback being the F8X's are TT out of the box) I've driven both extensively, and on the track* The E92 M3 was quite possibly the worst M3 in the entire lineup. A V8 with no balls, that's overheats easily, gimme a break You've been spending too much time on UR "other" site (benzboost ) ...I've owned every model since the E30. Loved the E36 and especially the E46 S54 M3. I skipped the E92 after seeing its weak performance figures and N/A V8 with no torque. This TT was a no brainer when I saw the out of the box rwhp numbers and brakes they gave her stock... having driven both on the track I can tell you (along with any others at track days) the E92 can't hold a candle to the new platform. Just go to any road course local to you and "real BMW CCA" track guys will school you on that... (and they worked over all the models in question)

The brakes, handling, insane power and torque band, and reflexes are like nothing out of BMW yet... the few both ons the CSL received is a testament of that. But what do I know... just ask all the track instructors, magazine journalist, tuners, BMW itself, etc...

I don't think you understood what he was saying... He was saying that instead of focusing more on the finesse of the car (handling, dynamics, throttle response, response in general, etc.) - like previous generations of M series...

In short, older M3s had a great "overall" package - whereas the latest generation is not as "special" in regard to how it's made.

He wasn't talking about power output, he was talking about the car/chassis/dynamics.

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My thoughts on it are that this generation is more about raw power. Look at the torque curve on an S55 - and compare it to any other "S" motor; for motor-sport you want a flat and long torque curve (i.e. predictable) - this engine is not really a "race engine" for the street like previous engines. I am not saying this car is not capable, it's EXTREMELY capable, it's just SO different from other M series, they almost shouldn't be compared.

[Sticky]

I don't think you understood what he was saying... He was saying that instead of focusing more on the finesse of the car (handling, dynamics, throttle response, response in general, etc.) - like previous generations of M series...

In short, older M3s had a great "overall" package - whereas the latest generation is not as "special" in regard to how it's made.

He wasn't talking about power output, he was talking about the car/chassis/dynamics.

He instead went to comparing power output as he never even understood the discussion.

Don't' expect it to sink in as you're wasting your time.

[BMW M4 Power]

He instead went to comparing power output as he never even understood the discussion.

Don't' expect it to sink in as you're wasting your time.

I understood it, and the limitations of your feeble attempt to try to discredit the F8X repeatedly despite being proven wrong. (You don't just accidentally put down a 7:28 ring lap time (as fast as a Carrera GT!) in a *front engine RWD* chassis UNLESS it's world-class and has great handling. Name ONE other front engine RWD car as fast? (if it exists guess what, its a world class racing chassis ) And yes, unlike M3's of past it HAS raw power and torque too


Don't try and troll on me sticky knowning damn well your circle-jerks are about to neg rep me again right with this one post and I wouldn't be able to respond here again for another couple weeks! It's a joke... if you want 'legitimate discussion' then please positive rep me if I'm taken out by the cronies again so I can at least respond*

[Sticky]

I understood it, and the limitations of your feeble attempt to try to discredit the F8X repeatedly despite being proven wrong.

Discredit? For what? How? You clearly have trouble with reading comprehension.

You don't just accidentally put down a 7:28 ring lap time (as fast as a Carrera GT!)

You seriously are equating laptimes this way? So you're handpicking a Carrera GT time from what year on what tires and saying the BMW M4 equals it because of a BMW Press Release that has never been backed up? Really? Yeah, the BMW M4 GTS is a performance equal to the Carrera GT because of different laps with different drivers on different days one of which was not for marketing purposes. Great stuff!

Don't try and troll on me sticky knowning damn well your circle-jerks are about to neg rep me again right with this one post and I wouldn't be able to respond here again for another couple weeks

I really don't spend any time thinking about you as much as you seem to think I do. You get neg reps because you come off stupid. That is not my doing.

[BlackJetE90OC]

Name ONE other front engine RWD car as fast? (if it exists guess what, its a world class racing chassis )

Some front engine rwd cars have set much quicker ring times...C6 Z06, C7 Z06, ZR1, SLS Black, LFA, last gen Viper ACR. They aren't "as fast"...they are much faster. They would be considered having world class chassis's, not the M4.

The new Viper ACR murders the GTS for about $15k-$20k less. Murders it like a little b*tch.

Although not front engine. The new 991.2 Carrera S is only 2 secs off GTS will no aero and not using PSC2's. For much less entry price. That is much more impressive honestly.

[onisyndicate]

I didn't mean to dislike if I did on cell phone.

[maxnix]

One needs to look at the special parts like the front suspension on this car. Not inexpensive for sure.