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05-16-2017, 05:42 PM #1
ESS-Tuning copied VF-Engineering's Audi R8 & Lamborghini Gallardo/Huracan V10 5.2 supercharger kit design
That is a strong headline, isn't it? You could replace 'copied' with several other words including reproduced, forged, replicated, imitated, or counterfeited and the premise for the article would be the same. VF-Engineering's development work on the V10 was blatantly stolen by ESS-Tuning.
BoostAddict is so confident in this report there is no reason to use terms such as 'allegedly' or 'possibly' in the article. Read it and see what you think.
You will notice there are two options for supercharging the 5.2 liter V10 motors that you find under the hood of the Audi R8, Lamborghini Gallardo, and Lamborghini Huracan. Back in the early days Stasis was the only option.
You may know that Stasis is now gone but what you may not know is that it was VF-Engineering that developed the Stasis supercharger kit. Originally, the idea was for VF-Engineering to provide their design and Stasis would sell the supercharger upgrade package directly at Audi dealerships and it would be covered with a factory backed warranty.
This was the Stasis booth back in 2010 at SEMA:
Well, that did not work out as planned and Stasis went under but VF-Engineering started to sell the V10 supercharger kit under their own name through their dealer network. All was good until suddenly ESS-Tuning started selling a kit. The same basic kit.
What happened? Well, ESS-Tuning got a hold of a VF-Engineering customer that had the kit installed. This was of course in Arizona and an Arizona customer. VF-Engineering has confirmation from this customer that ESS-Tuning got a hold of his car.
You might be saying, well, if VF-Engineering has proof why don't they go the legal route? They did. Eventually after a year VF decided that the matter was no longer worth pursuing due to the costs involved and what the actual compensation would end up being. ESS-Tuning knew this. The litigation and costs would not be worth the trouble but everything submitted to the lawyer still exists along with the proof.
ESS-Tuning launched their kit late last year with a 2.9 liter Whipple twin screw at a $24,995 price point which undercut VF-Engineering's Eaton TVS2300 kit at $33k. Now you know how they could offer such a cheaper price. They didn't have to invest the time or money in the development.
Are you thinking that if ESS-Tuning is using a Whipple blower it means they have a different kit? What you do not know is ESS-Tuning originally attempted to use the same Eaton TVS2300 blower even for other kits back in 2014. There may have been a business disagreement between Magnuson and ESS-Tuning that forced the switch.
Let's get into the design details.
Since VF-Engineering began development seven years ago they refined their kit as they learned about the platform. The computer designs to physical pieces evolved. Take a look at these design elements:
Pancake Pipe
Developed to provide optimal flow for fluid transfer and the necessary clearance between the engine block and VF Engineering pulley bracket.
Cad Drawing - to 3D Prototype - to Metal Production
Just arriving at the same pipe design randomly when starting from scratch is not possible. It goes behind the bracket. If the bracket design was different then this pipe design would be different.
Idler Pulley Assembly
Now how do you route the belts and design this assembly? Two engineers working on two different kits are going to have different approaches. Just look at how ESS and VF approached their E9X M3 S65 V8 kits.
ESS did not even make any actual attempt to differentiate the design with the Audi/Lambo V10 kit. It is the exact same and uses the exact same placement of the pulleys and tensioners.
This is the idler pulley assembly from the ESS-Tuning installation manual (attached at the bottom of the article):
Does it look like a copy to you?
What about the lid? Here is an image from the ESS V10 SC youtube video:
Here is the VF cad design:
Notice any similarities? Maybe these elements?
What about this from page 14 in the ESS-Tuning installation manual. The arrow is pointing to an AC compressor fitting. This is VF-Engineering's actual piece as it has the engraving from being pressure tested and says the date on it. This pressure testing is part of the VF quality control process. They are actually using a photo of VF's actual piece in their own ESS install manual. You can't make this up:
For further evidence, here is the kit at the ESS facility when ESS was attempting to reproduce it with a Whipple blower in place taken by someone who happened to be at the facility. This was in March 2014:
Even if you do not think it is a direct copy or even if you do not care if it is a direct copy there are a few things to keep in mind about these kits.
PRICING:
Gen1 R8 / Gallardo VF $22,995 and ESS $18,995.
Gen2 R8 / Huracan VF $32,995 and ESS $24,995.
Mull over these reasons:
1. The Eaton TVS2300 is the perfect supercharger for the stock internal 5.2 V10.
Unless you are building the motor and running huge boost the Eaton pairs better at the 7-8 psi level with the V10 than the larger Whipple unit. It is simply more efficient at that boost level than the twin screw. Take a look at the compressor maps for proof. You would have to go to 13+ psi with the Whipple to start seeing efficiency gains.
The Eaton TVS2300 is used in OEM applications and its build quality and longevity is proven. If Audi was to supercharge this motor, they would use the Eaton TVS2300. Furthermore, AUDI NA was willing to install and sell these superchargers with a supplemental warranty.
2. Quality of materials
VF isn't skimping on the quality of materials to cut costs. The quality remains the same despite ESS undercutting them. The brackets are laser cut, the OEM hose clamps are used (no cheap worm screws or rubber lines), uniquely designed AC lines, water lines, air lines, etc.
There was no competition target during the development. Everything was designed by VF-Engineering to be the highest quality and everything comes from the United States. If you want to get more specific, everything is designed and manufactured (short of the blower itself obviously) in California.
3. Software
When you develop the product over years you continually refine the software. ESS-Tuning had some issues with some cars which we will not get into but VF's software development is obviously far more mature. How can it not be? They started the market years before ESS read out one of their cars.
This isn't just pulled out of thin air. Even dealers see it:
I am very loyal and do not want to get involved with ESS. We had a local car which was done by an Audi dealer the the kit is garbage. Never ran right and the tuning was never right either.
Why? Because that is who ESS-Tuning is. This is nothing new. I watched ESS-Tuning since the early days when they first came onto the BMW scene. They were nobodies with an inconsistent product that they knew was not ready for primetime yet they still sold it.
They do not care. They copied the product, cut costs, skimped on quality, paired the wrong size supercharger to the motor, and they will not offer the same quality of software or support. The real question is, does this matter to a potential customer?
The sad truth is most people just don't care. If they can save a buck, they will save a buck. Who cares if ESS-Tuning will throw you overboard if things go wrong. Things can get very messy in a hurry.
If you spent hundreds of thousands and years of your time on development of a product and someone copied it and undercut you, how would you feel? Especially if you were proud of that product and your engineering solutions in bringing it to market?
Now, losing a customer on a major purchase like this would certainly make someone furious. VF-Engineering's response is not angry but professional:
VF-Engineering is moving on from this debacle and their culture is one of informing people of what happened, why their supercharger kit is worth the money, and creating great products rather than stealing them. ESS-Tuning's culture is profit above all else and that includes morals.
Which product would you rather have?
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05-17-2017, 04:56 PM #2
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That is pretty $#@!ty of ESS but like VF said at the end, good luck trying to use a ripoff product and that customer will likely be back in due time and will have wasted time and money.
Im surprised and not surprised at the same time that people will go so far out on a limb to save a buck at this level of purchase. Modifying $200k cars with $20k-$30k mods is not something to cheap out on lol, if they wanted to cheap out they should just modify a domestic LSx car in the first place lol.
Even with small amazon purchases I have learned time and again that you get what you pay for.
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05-17-2017, 05:01 PM #3
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05-17-2017, 05:07 PM #4
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I totally agree but in this day and age it is almost expected (not that that makes it right by any stretch).
The whole bottom dollar china knockoff/no respect for R&D IP is terrible but hopefully people learn the hard way. ESPECIALLY with such an expensive complicated product like this.
Unfortunately probably the most engineering time went into the CFD for designing those charge pipes etc which was basically just laser scanned by ess and copied and will probably work just as well as the VF. But good thing the kit is a whole system and is more complicated than that and it appears that it is not as easy as ripping off the hardware to make it function like OEM (like VF seems to have done).
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05-17-2017, 05:08 PM #5
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05-17-2017, 08:02 PM #6
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LOL, the entire N54 platform is everyone ripping off everyone else, no one gives a $#@! because everyone is cheap. This is somehow news because it goes on high dollar cars? Theft is theft whether its a $200 charge pipe, set of inlets, downpipe design, or a supercharger kit.
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05-17-2017, 08:04 PM #7
Knockoffs and copies are indeed a problem on every platform. However, there is a bit more to it here.
There is software that accompanies the hardware. Additionally, you might feel differently if you invested hundreds of thousands in development.
The point is to get the truth out there and highlight the differences.
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05-23-2017, 08:33 PM #8
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05-24-2017, 03:27 AM #10
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05-24-2017, 10:08 PM #11
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06-03-2017, 03:45 PM #12
Wow, the whipple promise was enticing, I was genuinely thinking they had made a proper research, but the last picture si so convincing. I'm disapointed.
On a better note, the genuine VF product can now go to VF900 with a better fuel system and more boost, and they lowerred their price to compete with the "new" ess offering.
On R8Talk :
We never shy away from friendly competition as it's what drives this industry forward, and cumulatively
brings more perspective customers to the market.
Starting TODAY, the new prices on our VF750 (Gen1 Audi R8 V10) and VF800 (Gen2 Audi R8 V10) will be
$19,995 and $28,995 respectively. A keen eye will notice that this is still $1,000 and $2,000 higher than
the "comparable" TS760 and TS790 systems, but as noted above, we feel that we have numerous distinct
advantages. The winner here is ultimately the consumer as the other guys now be forced to prove their value
at their moderately lower price, and we get to demonstrate that we are happy to compete head-to-head
by removing the distraction of the more significant price difference.
It's interesting that you mention this, because we are just about ready to release our VF900
(900 Horsepower) Supercharger System for the Gen2 Audi R8 V10 and Lamborghini Huracan.
This is a 100 Horsepower increase over the current VF800 system, utilizing the same TVS2300
Supercharger Unit, all while remaining well within the efficiency range of the blower.
(practically everything you just eluded to!)
That being said, while the twin turbo guys have demonstrated what is possible in terms of total
power output on the stock bottom end, this is still an "apple pie" to "caramel apple" comparison
as peak power is just one aspect of overall performance. We still feel that twin-turbo customers
will be twin-turbo customers, and supercharger customers will be supercharger customers.
(I'd hate to turn this into a T-T vs. S/C thread, so we'll just leave it at that.)
The TVS2300 is more than capable of producing in excess of 900 horsepower, but in our
experience (and based on our performance criteria) there is a point of diminishing returns when
your primary goal is chasing power.
The reason that this upgrade is possible on the Gen2 5.2L V10 is due to the introduction of
dual-injection which provides significantly better fueling support. While it's an interesting
approach for the other supercharger guys to advertise "more power" / "lower cost" / "greater
potential" just by using an over-sized blower in the same application, this seems to be nothing
more than a short sighted effort to capture market share through unsubstantiated claims.
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06-03-2017, 04:06 PM #13
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06-03-2017, 04:08 PM #14
Matt Farah has a test drive on youtube from a few weeks ago.
Last edited by Jiaim; 06-03-2017 at 04:09 PM. Reason: Link for video.
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06-19-2017, 03:01 PM #15
Proof that there are customers out there who still care about the ethical side
of doing business in this industry:
A very gracious "Thank You" to Sticky and BoostAddict for breaking the story.
This particular customer is willing to buy a USED system for what would be the
price of a NEW system from those other guys. And for that sort of loyalty, we're
willing to give him the best possible price on a BRAND NEW VF750 System
to bridge the gap and ensure he's a long term satisfied customer.
#MadeInCalifornia #ForTheWin #Original #StillTheBest
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06-19-2017, 03:43 PM #16
I'm glad @Sticky has the balls to go after vendors like these guys. Too much $ chasing on other forums...
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06-19-2017, 06:36 PM #17
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