The McLAren 'P1 LM' Nurburgring laptime record isn't a record, it's cheating

[Sticky]

This is called cheating folks. Why? Because there is no McLaren P1 LM. McLaren produces a P1 GTR which is not street legal. A company by the name of Lanzante took a P1 GTR, configured it so it technicality was street legal, and called it the P1 LM.

Is the 6:43.2 laptime impressive? Yes. Does it top the Porsche 918 Spyder? Yes. Does it top the Lamborghini Huracan Performante? Yes. Is it a legitimate record? No.

Lanzante might as well take a Formula 1 car and have it pass regulations and then run a lap to claim a record. It isn't a production car. It may technicality meet the rules to be classified as street legal but that does not make it a street legal production car laptime record.

It is cool to see what P1 GTR is capable of but this is simply an exercise in changing the conditions of the test. In other words, cheating.

[Zeee_Q]

From what I understand, Lazante put parts on to pass street legal certification, and then took them off and swapped the race parts back on after passing street legal certification. Also pretty sure the special Trofeo R tires are pretty much just qualifying slicks made for this run.

[SpeedLimit?]

I wonder if they'll take the Vulcan they're currently converting to the track.

[Sticky]

From what I understand, Lazante put parts on to pass street legal certification, and then took them off and swapped the race parts back on after passing street legal certification. Also pretty sure the special Trofeo R tires are pretty much just qualifying slicks made for this run.

That makes this even more bogus.

[BLKROKT]

It's just not a "production car". It doesn't come off of any assembly line like that. It's a modified race car.

[Velocity26]

I am sure that you guys are right, and this is really a race car, but it has the nicest interior that I have ever seen in a race car. Down to the A/C vents, full dash, etc. Certainly "looks" like it was a street car at one time.

[93siro]

If McLaren isn't taking too much credit, i don't see what's the big deal here honestly. A fast car proved to be fast.

[Sticky]

If McLaren isn't taking too much credit, i don't see what's the big deal here honestly. A fast car proved to be fast.

It's fast. It just shouldn't be touted as a record as it isn't a fair comparison. Someone might as well throw a street legal Ferrari FXX-K on the 'Ring too.

[danb]

I'm a McLaren owner and fanboy, and I tend to agree that this is basically a race car converted to "street" specs. Very grey area stuff...

[SpeedLimit?]

To be objective, how is this different from claiming "street car" records at the drag strip with the car set up in a manner one would never drive it on the street(slicks, race fuel, stripped interior, etc.). At the end of the day all forms of competition are won by who can exploit loop holes and find advantageous interpretations of the rules. Don't hate the player, hate the game

[Sticky]

how is this different from claiming "street car" records at the drag strip with the car set up in a manner one would never drive it on the street(slicks, race fuel, stripped interior, etc.).

Because you are taking a street car and changing the tires for traction. You aren't taking a race car and pretending it is street legal.

That is the difference.

[SpeedLimit?]

Because you are taking a street car and changing the tires for traction. You aren't taking a race car and pretending it is street legal.

That is the difference.

People change much more than tires for "Street Car" records...

[Sticky]

People change much more than tires for "Street Car" records...

True but it is still starting with a street legal car. People can hack it up and so forth but somebody took a race car and claimed a street car title.

[SpeedLimit?]

True but it is still starting with a street legal car. People can hack it up and so forth but somebody took a race car and claimed a street car title.

I see no difference if from one end you're modding a car to the point it wouldn't pass inspection in it's record breaking form or starting with something not legal at first then getting it to a point of street legal form to break a record. It's different starting points which lead to the same destination.

[Sticky]

I see no difference if from one end you're modding a car to the point it wouldn't pass inspection in it's record breaking form or starting with something not legal at first then getting it to a point of street legal form to break a record. It's different starting points which lead to the same destination.

IMO it's a big difference. The P1 GTR is a higher performance car that isn't street legal. It already has an advantage as it isn't built with compromises. It's a track only car for a reason.

If I buy a car legal for the street and change the tires, so what? I didn't turn it into a race car. I changed the tires.

The destination is never the same as you will not turn a street legal car into a car engineered from the ground up as a track special.