CP-E vs ETS vs HELIX

[n54BoostOnCoke]

Which one is the best ?

[Sticky]

The E92 M3.

[Itsbrokeagain]

The E92 M3.

You just made me srs lol'd again...hi 5

[Sticky]

You just made me srs lol'd again...hi 5

Don't weep, we must help this human find out which setup rapes all others.

[Itsbrokeagain]

ETS - great priced, doesn't fit 09 XI models due to change in charge pipe design. Fits no cutting.
Helix- the most expensive of the bunch but one of the best performing. If you are going the upgraded turbo route its worth every penny.
AMS- see above.
CPe - never put one in...don't know much about it.

Big Tom - stop being cheap, this isn't a freaking Honda...after all said and done it will cost as much as an AMS or helix to get installed with all the custom work and labor....and the data proving it better is only at full throttle...how many times are you at full throttle on the street for more than 2 minutes?

[n54BoostOnCoke]

LOl e92 is whack , would never trade for one, as I'm not a big corner guy , and I hate the low end torque

[Payam@BMS]

you mean the e92 m3 is wack.. cause i'm sure you have an e9x series making this post..

i love the m3 if i could afford it i would have one. but until now i'm fine with a Gti haha.

[n54BoostOnCoke]

yeah the m3 I meant =]

[fundahl]

If you research intercooler design you will find that the AMS and HPF intercooler are most likely to have the least pressure drop.

The HPF intercooler has the largest cubic volume available, not counting the "Big Tom" intercooler.

I would go HPF. You WILL NOT be able to heat-soak it at current power levels, and you won't have to worry about it being a bottleneck.

[Big Tom]

Big Tom - stop being cheap, this isn't a freaking Honda...after all said and done it will cost as much as an AMS or helix to get installed with all the custom work and labor....and the data proving it better is only at full throttle...how many times are you at full throttle on the street for more than 2 minutes?

Honda...

I just love all those funny comments regarding this $250 IC, especially the ones comming from the vendors!
Total cost for my IC, including install and material, was $300. No more or less.

Can I buy a Helix/AMS, including install for $300? No.
Does my car perform well during full throttle? Yes.
Does my car perform well during normal use? Yes.
Is my car one of the fastest N54's in Sweden? Yes.

Please skip this kind of talk. I can't imagine anyone believes it.

[n54BoostOnCoke]

I like the bigtom idea and the price, and it doesn't matter if it's honda or where it's made , if it's working good it's good !!! I just don't want to do much cutting, and don't have time much for the whole custom fabrication, anyway ETS is already sold to someone else, so I have to go between AMS and cp-e, if I can get them for the same price, which one will give me more perfomance ? Thanks

[Payam@BMS]

its mostly about surface area.. too much cubic area makes pressure drops.

heatsoak will eventually happen if you ride it hard all the time. but realistically speaking. nobody will be gunning their car continuously for an hour.. lol

[n54BoostOnCoke]

AMS OR CP-E ?

[fundahl]

I like the bigtom idea and the price, and it doesn't matter if it's honda or where it's made , if it's working good it's good !!! I just don't want to do much cutting, and don't have time much for the whole custom fabrication, anyway ETS is already sold to someone else, so I have to go between AMS and cp-e, if I can get them for the same price, which one will give me more perfomance ? Thanks

What are the cubic volumes of each, inlet and outlet diameter, and which design allows for the least amount of friction/turbulence/pressure drop?

CP-E = 528 CI volume
AMS = 720 CI volume

To me, the AMS looks to have better flowing end-tanks, but will require cutting.

The CP-E can be setup to attach an additional oil cooler.


It's your choice, and I really like CP-E's stuff, but I'd go for the AMS on my own car.

[fundahl]

its mostly about surface area.. too much cubic area makes pressure drops.

heatsoak will eventually happen if you ride it hard all the time. but realistically speaking. nobody will be gunning their car continuously for an hour.. lol

That is not true. Resistance to flow will cause pressure drop. Surface area will help with heat transfer. The only thing "too big" will do is add extra weight and slightly increase lag. There is no such thing as cubic area.

[n54BoostOnCoke]

Thanks slik for your opinion =] if I will be able to get ams for the price I hope I'll get it , if not I have great deal for cp-e, but the question is will the cp-e oil cooler heat soak the ic ? it's sitting right on top of it ?

[fundahl]

Thanks slik for your opinion =] if I will be able to get ams for the price I hope I'll get it , if not I have great deal for cp-e, but the question is will the cp-e oil cooler heat soak the ic ? it's sitting right on top of it ?

As long as the mounts are thermally insulated better than bare metal (rubber, plastic, wood, whatever) I don't really see that being an issue, actually even without. There will always be some heat transfer if two objects are at different temperatures, but I'm pretty confident that their oil-cooler won't heat-soak your intercooler.

[LostMarine]

Id go with Cp-e

[n54BoostOnCoke]

hey why if you don't mind ?

[Sticky]

hey why if you don't mind ?

Read their white paper!

[n54BoostOnCoke]

I know but AMS is AMS !!!! lol and the end tanks really look good

[Payam@BMS]

Surface area will help with heat transfer.

That is what Intercoolers do, yes. thats why surface area is the key.. I installed this on my car. its bigger by cubic cm and surface area. i got no pressure drops no increase in lag, actually my butt dyno tells me in higher gears my car pulls harder and more linear on freeway pulls. IC make big difference.

[hworang00]

butt dyno...haha nice...

[1cleanAMG]

CP-e is a pain in the ass to install

[n54BoostOnCoke]

the oil cooler part ?