The Deleted F10 M5 S63TU MAP sensor calibration and tuning discussion

[Sticky]

I received various e-mails on this topic and this discussion was deleted on another forum. Well, as it just so happens I tend to leave browser windows open plus a user took screenshots. We're more about technical discussion here than vendor sales.

So, let's see where the chips fall:

There is not a single word from any sponsors on the boards saying that they can bypass the MAP sensor calibration. On top of that, any high powered Fxx are still forced to use tuning boxes combined with software reflash to once again allow the usage of higher rated pressure sensors. If anyone had this calibration perfected using factory software (not jb4), then I'm sure there would be information about that posted a while back, but that is not a case.

This is a sneak peak to the differences of the 2 sensors.
3.5bar custom MAP(top) calibration vs 2.5bar factory(button).

Guys,

Why are you showing something that is like minimum 1 year old.
I have done this map sensor stuff long time ago and same story with others, this is not a big deal anymore.

Show us something new, what can you do that I can't for instance lol.
Nice sales speach in the first post, but I mean, what is new here? This is something I have done for hmm 15 months now - nothing new.
Anything would do!

Thanks

ooks good.... would love to see some dyno and performance results.[/COLOR]

TMAP scaling has been done already. Its just not advertised much... there are hiccups with fueling at 800+whp level (therefore alternate controls are used) so if you have figured that part out... kudos!!

Before making our statements, we have searched high and low to find anyone calibrating MAP sensors, and nothing has been found. Maybe we have missed something, but from what we have seen so far, no one even talked about calibrating higher MAP sensors. Yes anyone can come here and say they have done it, but there is just no proof or supporting argument for that. On top of that, having calibrated MAP sensors that cause fueling issues at higher torque figures means one thing, they are not calibrated correctly.

What do you want so I can prove it for you? Again, this is nothing special.

Why is the dyno stopping at 5700RPM ? Misfire? Stuttering?

This guy showed up late to the party and is asking us for proof. Smh.

@F10M5Manual Mike, how is your car running on 93 octane and the map sensors?
Can you please share your experience with me and Kevin @Precision tuning?

Do not want to be a dick, but stock s63 MAP sensors are capable of handling 23psi. Once you start passing the 24psi mark, 3.5bar sensors would be highly recommended. Also I searched the entire thread posted here and there is no word about map sensor calibrations using a reflash. A lot of talk about maps, but not an actual map sensor calib.

Let's make sure we are talking about the same thing first. We are not talking about flash tuning (calibrating stock firmware for higher desired torque) but instead a full MAP (absolute pressure) sensor calibration using a higher rated sensor.

Really ?
What are you trying to tell me here? That I use a piggyback like JB4 to get above that limit? Dude, why would I post the tables I have, so you and others can have a peek?

My M5 F10 ran 26 psi on 99 RON (94 oct for you guys - or wait, your homepage is German registered??) Why is that, you get files from other guys ?

From Kevin@Precision tuning, he can't post yet:
"Map sensors were replaced to not have to worry about it later, map sensor calibration is something that anyone playing around the computer like this should know how to do along with calibration for any other component in the car to tune it properly, we just don't make a big deal about it bc is something kinda common when you tune Cars like deleting cat codes when replacing catted downpipes for catless ones"

Halim, Kevin and myself have been doing this for the past 6months. Stop thinking you were the first. It's really not a big deal. The stock sensors do only handle 23psi which why they need to be changed for applications requiring more boost. Plus, you can't just change the sensors without tuning/scaling for them as you will get a CEL.

posted a proof of MAP calibration in action, that's it. I have no problem doing. So far, most s63 do run JB4+ tune to bypass the MAP limitation and there was not a single word anywhere on the forums saying that calibration of 3.5bar sensor using factory software is possible.

Registered in Germany to get files from other guys? What?

What Kevin said is right, it is common sense to upgrade MAP sensors when building a proper tune, though I'm yet to see anyone selling and calibrating higher rating sensors. There is not a single word or advertisement for that. You can see companies over west east coasts advertising stage 2 calibrations and hardware kits but Not a single one ever mentioned a MAP sensor. Why would you spend time building something and not advertise or promote it so that average user has no clue it even existed.

If that is true, then good for you guys. Before we joined the boards, we have been asked many times by s63 and n63tu owners as to why there are no higher MAP sensors tunes available unless they use JB4, and this led us to making a post about that aspect. We have searched everywhere, and just like ibsaid before, there is no talk about MAP calibration at all. If we cant not find it, thrn how can a customer easilly access this information? Clearly customers do not see what is available as the advertisement is just plain non existant.

@MissionPerformance @allmotor_2000 @lfelunden @middly

[Sticky]

Where it gets pretty interesting:

When you do tuning you advertise tuning as service, a whole process that includes a wide range of changes, which in cases where is required map sensor scaling is included, I just dont see the need of making a specific aspect shine from a service that is being sold as one... I would say tuning is really specific to each vehicle and realistically we like to distinguish what we do for our final results (power gains-- track times -- drivability) not just for a specific parameter being changed in the ECU. It wouldnt be convinent for the customer if we would charge them by each parameter or value we changed in the Computer. lol

Well we make sure that customer is educated on every aspect of the reflash and what is included in the package. No where did we suggest to charge more per value. "Lol"

Are you telling me you sell a stage 1 or stage 2 tune to a customer without prior informing them regarding requirement to change sensors? So what if your s63 customer gets the tune from your website and after computers are installed on the car figures out that the car runs like crap due to having factory sensors? Then what? You going to tell the customer "sorry but you should have been aware that you need bigger map sensors?" Comon, are you serious?

Clearly some customers do not understand that this option exists, and that's due to poor advertisement. Also frankly your statement regarding the "table" makes me believe that your are not honest regarding this aspect as mevd17 (unlike me7 and me9) does NOT use MAP tables for sensor calibration. I'm willing to provide backed up proof of that, what about you? Willing to provide backed up proof of your "tables"

[lfelunden]

I got all those bimmerpost guys when I wrote: "HOW did your customers know about the map sensor flashing?"
He stated, that some customers asked for it - Well they must have heard that somewhere.. Then I got banned hahahahaha pathetic, btw love this forum.

[Sticky]

Screencaps so everyone has all the info and no playing favorites:

[Sticky]

I got all those bimmerpost guys when I wrote: "HOW did your customers know about the map sensor flashing?"
He stated, that some customers asked for it - Well they must have heard that somewhere.. Then I got banned hahahahaha pathetic, btw love this forum.

I don't like technical discussion being deleted. How are we supposed to learn? It's idiotic but that is also why this place exists. Tuners, users, etc. are expected to stand on their own merit.

I love this forum too. It's where the real talk takes place. Sometimes I wish it was the same size but then I realize there would be a ton of garbage to sift through and less of the technical talk.

[RobNyc]

I don't like technical discussion being deleted. How are we supposed to learn? It's idiotic but that is also why this place exists. Tuners, users, etc. are expected to stand on their own merit.

I love this forum too. It's where the real talk takes place. Sometimes I wish it was the same size but then I realize there would be a ton of garbage to sift through and less of the technical talk.

Ahhhh thank to bimmerboost! @Sticky for posting this because i was wondering what happened to that thread discussion hahaha.. Good to see people were able to catch it before it was deleted.

Hope everyone here can continue this discussion as to what is what now

[lfelunden]

I don't like technical discussion being deleted. How are we supposed to learn? It's idiotic but that is also why this place exists. Tuners, users, etc. are expected to stand on their own merit.

I love this forum too. It's where the real talk takes place. Sometimes I wish it was the same size but then I realize there would be a ton of garbage to sift through and less of the technical talk.

haha love that comment!

[Sticky]

Ahhhh thank to bimmerboost! @Sticky for posting this because i was wondering what happened to that thread discussion hahaha.. Good to see people were able to catch it before it was deleted.

Hope everyone here can continue this discussion as to what is what now

The censorship is so insane. Insane. I wish more people knew how bad it was and I wish more people there were able to free their minds here.

It makes me furious. But it's ok... I'm doing my best to change it.

[TwistedTuning]

Technical discussion is what elevates and progresses a platform. Without it ..you may as well tread water. I don't get the censorship either. But oh well. Seems bimmerboost was created for a reason. So drive on. In for the discussion

[lfelunden]

Bimmerboost has destroyed countless keyboards, only needs an app for the phone to crush phones - that is @Sticky 's evil plan I think lol

[Sticky]

Technical discussion is what elevates and progresses a platform. Without it ..you may as well tread water. I don't get the censorship either. But oh well. Seems bimmerboost was created for a reason. So drive on. In for the discussion

[MissionPerformance]

Thank you Sticky for bringing the info back to life. It was sad to the the thread actually get "cleaned up". But now that we are here, I guess we can be open here and speak freely. But until we actually finish our application/signing up as a paying vendor, we will not be posting advertisement or self promotion. Though as soon as we have something very special ready for public release for you guys, we will be posting it up here for sure and will be signing up as a vendor. For now, if anyone has general questions for us, just ask or send us PMs. We are open for all comments and suggestions.

[RobNyc]

Thank you Sticky for bringing the info back to life. It was sad to the the thread actually get "cleaned up". But now that we are here, I guess we can be open here and speak freely. But until we actually finish our application/signing up as a paying vendor, we will not be posting advertisement or self promotion. Though as soon as we have something very special ready for public release for you guys, we will be posting it up here for sure and will be signing up as a vendor. For now, if anyone has general questions for us, just ask or send us PMs. We are open for all comments and suggestions.

Welcome @MissionPerformance

[Sticky]

Thank you Sticky for bringing the info back to life. It was sad to the the thread actually get "cleaned up". But now that we are here, I guess we can be open here and speak freely. But until we actually finish our application/signing up as a paying vendor, we will not be posting advertisement or self promotion. Though as soon as we have something very special ready for public release for you guys, we will be posting it up here for sure and will be signing up as a vendor. For now, if anyone has general questions for us, just ask or send us PMs. We are open for all comments and suggestions.

I appreciate you respecting our vendors and not jumping the gun with advertising. When you're ready we're here of course and will be happy to work with you.

[RobNyc]

bump

[subaru335i]

bump

edit: oops I didn't read the date MP posted.
Sounds like they don't want to pay to be a vendor so won't post anything here.

[Sticky]

edit: oops I didn't read the date MP posted.
Sounds like they don't want to pay to be a vendor so won't post anything here.

I don't know. @MissionPerformance said they wanted to vendors and asked about it weeks ago.