ShotGun HPFP uprgade update

[Ingeniator]

Did if anyone else read this in professor farnsworth's voice

Good news! Production orders for the shotgun parts were placed today. We had a hold up because we consulted a metallurgist to make sure we had the rockwell hardness of the shafts as close to the oem drive shaft as possible to imitate its wear characteristics, and provide long trouble free life. He suggested a certain type of stainless, and a heat treating process to get it where it needs to be, so that took some extra time we did not account for. We placed orders for housings, shafts, and pulleys today. So looking forward to getting these done for everyone.

Also a bonus the N55 we have here to get a stage 2, and shotgun is on the lift. It looks like the Shotgun should bolt right into the N55's, well at least this 2011 135...

[Sticky]

Did if anyone else read this in professor farnsworth's voice

No. But I just made you read this in his voice:

[Nugs]

Double, all these estimates are in the original thread, but Single Barrel 100% E85 500-550WHP area is about maxed, on race gas much higher. Double barrel, we are at 650 and not even close to its limit yet.

So single barrel should be good for N55 with your stage 2 and 100% e85?

[mycoupe]

Since I, for some reason, got kicked out of Tony's other thread, I'll ask here. Did you make it to the track yesterday?

[GetSomeE92]

Since I, for some reason, got kicked out of Tony's other thread, I'll ask here. Did you make it to the track yesterday?

He said they ran worse than the last time out. 11.8 at 124 with a ton of timing issues, flat lined timing from the 2-3 shift which never recovered, no 2-step launch, missed 1-2 shift, IAT in the 180* range. Basically what we all fear happening any time we go to a track day. They're working on the issues and plan to make another trip out to the track.

I am really interested to see how the cars with automatic transmissions hold up to this new generation of stock frame turbos and enough fuel to run them to their potential.

[mycoupe]

Interesting, as isn't all of that exactly what Terry was trying to warn him of by not doing any multi gear pulls to see what happened at shift points and with egts and iats? Again, if covered in the other thread...im blocked. So...

He said they ran worse than the last time out. 11.8 at 124 with a ton of timing issues, flat lined timing from the 2-3 shift which never recovered, no 2-step launch, missed 1-2 shift, IAT in the 180* range. Basically what we all fear happening any time we go to a track day. They're working on the issues and plan to make another trip out to the track.

I am really interested to see how the cars with automatic transmissions hold up to this new generation of stock frame turbos and enough fuel to run them to their potential.

thanks for the reply man!

[V8Bait]

The 2-3 shift is a pita. 3-4 is worse. Shifting fast on the 6mt at high boost is ftl, I've experienced this with every tune I've ever had and hate it when it pops up from time to time. The more power you make the more frequent it seems to become.

[ChuckD05]

this car is proving to be a dyno queen more and more these days... its just too hard for all the stars to align.

[135pats]

this car is proving to be a dyno queen more and more these days... its just too hard for all the stars to align.

Agreed. Sucks but it is what it is, I still love this motor.

It just seems like once you start straying too far from what the DME's base logic is (with regards to fuel, load, duty cycle, etc etc), things get out of whack and are hard to corral. Then you add in what appears to be inherent issues (6MT bog, IJE0S flatline) and it gets nastier.

The 54 is strong as hell but is a finicky thing. With that said, for 450-550WHP it's a truly outstanding platform.

[Tony@VargasTurboTech]

this car is proving to be a dyno queen more and more these days... its just too hard for all the stars to align.

Geez, naysayers anyone? The car has been making this power on stock frames for all of what 3 weeks and everyone is giving up and sayings its good for 450-550 before problems creep up? Honestly we took a lot of Stage 3 logs at much higher power levels but coming in later in the band, and I never saw a flatline in any log, I have no fear we will figure it out easily and quickly, the two best minds in the N54 tuning game are working on it at the same time, shouldn't be long before its figured out. With all that said, the car will NEVER be a track monster in 6MT form, once we get a proper tranny upgrade or someone swaps in a DCT with the Dodson upgrade will see some real 1/4 mile times, I am confident we can get in the 10's with the right tuning on the 6MT, but a proper tranny will reveal what the platform can do.

[mycoupe]

Well, we all know 10's are possible for the platform since they've been run once(?) already by whoever drove Shiv's car. The power certainly is there for your car too. What suspension do you have on the car and hopefully Terry and D get it running consistently strong.

Geez, naysayers anyone? The car has been making this power on stock frames for all of what 3 weeks and everyone is giving up and sayings its good for 450-550 before problems creep up? Honestly we took a lot of Stage 3 logs at much higher power levels but coming in later in the band, and I never saw a flatline in any log, I have no fear we will figure it out easily and quickly, the two best minds in the N54 tuning game are working on it at the same time, shouldn't be long before its figured out. With all that said, the car will NEVER be a track monster in 6MT form, once we get a proper tranny upgrade or someone swaps in a DCT with the Dodson upgrade will see some real 1/4 mile times, I am confident we can get in the 10's with the right tuning on the 6MT, but a proper tranny will reveal what the platform can do.

[Tony@VargasTurboTech]

Well, we all know 10's are possible for the platform since they've been run once(?) already by whoever drove Shiv's car. The power certainly is there for your car too. What suspension do you have on the car and hopefully Terry and D get it running consistently strong.

Eibach Coilovers, Eibach anti-roll bars, lock down kit, that is the extent of the suspension upgrades in the rear, car also has a wavetrac LSD, and UUC tranny mounts. Honestly the car is hooking, last time out on less power we nailed a 1.7 60 ft second try without the greatest launch, playing around with launch RPM should get us better, we did a 1.8 on the 11.8 run. Shiv pulled off a 1.5 in his record run, that is why he ran it, everything besides the 1.5 60ft would have put him in the low 11's

[ChuckD05]

my comment was referring to MANY more things than your car...

Dan in Florida. 7xx HP, poof
the other proven power car, poof
terrys 135 did nothing but provide numbers when running, poof
ando from bms , got single, poof, now trying again
this list can go on and on...
Donny dynoed 6xx , poof sold car lol wont really tell me why exactly

for good measure lets add stickys car, 9 billion hp, poof LOL

when big power is made it doesnt ever transfer to the pavement and results on video or real life in repeated fashion


your car was literally the least of my points of reference but can be added to the list of cars that have high hp and are proving to be a little more difficult than predicted... I just said it here... wasnt knocking it at all, sorry if it came off like that

[Tony@VargasTurboTech]

Well Dan works in alaska, and has trapped 133 with tranny issues, that tells you the car will run HARD when it gets a tranny, the other proven power guy is selling his car so why try to break it. I think all the single turbo AT guys are avoiding the track because they cant launch without a higher stall. We are honestly trying to get this done, lots of good minds on it. Good news is, the twin disc is effing awesome. I had the same thing happen as last time on the 11.8 run, no 2-step engage, launched at 6800, car actually hooked pretty good, and cut the 1.8 60 and the clutch didnt slip and burn up...

Edit: Now that am thinking back, remember that not a single Single turbo car when all there was Vishnu cars ever had a very good outing at SS except I think one, these cars are finicky at high power

[ChuckD05]

You are very accurate in your statements but its indirectly stating what i mentioned which is up until this point this car has not transferred the power to the ground for real life results as well as many of us had hoped for. Dan and I have spoken many times before and there are def several road blocks keeping that car from its full potential even taking the AT tranny out of the equation. (post shift timing drops which im not sure cobb only resolved or not) ... Same as other 700+ hp car deals with, killing the roll race potential as well...

I do not doubt for one second, your car will be up , running, and going as fast as possible... this just shows that hard work is involved in tuning these cars at this level which costs money and time and its not as easy as "slap" this kit on and dyno.

IMO your newest turbos at 23psi to 20 at 5xx whp is the best offering this car has as an upgrade for DD, racing, looking at, etc... I wouldnt go any further but i respect all that do. Like yourself, Dan, BMS, etc...

I mean super RB thread went hush hush rather quickly too. Another example, will it all get worked out sure... most likely. Things just arent as easy as making 450-525. Thats what I think we both were referring to.

[Tony@VargasTurboTech]

You are very accurate in your statements but its indirectly stating what i mentioned which is up until this point this car has not transferred the power to the ground for real life results as well as many of us had hoped for. Dan and I have spoken many times before and there are def several road blocks keeping that car from its full potential even taking the AT tranny out of the equation. (post shift timing drops which im not sure cobb only resolved or not) ... Same as other 700+ hp car deals with, killing the roll race potential as well...

I do not doubt for one second, your car will be up , running, and going as fast as possible... this just shows that hard work is involved in tuning these cars at this level which costs money and time and its not as easy as "slap" this kit on and dyno.

IMO your newest turbos at 23psi to 20 at 5xx whp is the best offering this car has as an upgrade for DD, racing, looking at, etc... I wouldnt go any further but i respect all that do. Like yourself, Dan, BMS, etc...

I mean super RB thread went hush hush rather quickly too. Another example, will it all get worked out sure... most likely. Things just arent as easy as making 450-525. Thats what I think we both were referring to.

Biggest difference between us and the sooooooooooper RB thread is, they can't even get numbers on single gear pulls on a dyno (let alone at the track), we had 625 in 3 map revisons then complete consistency with slapping turbos on and nothing else. So yeah they are def having other problems, if anyone believes they made more power, and aren't posting it, they are fooling themselves.

Well that and the fact that we posted every bit of data to go along with out testing and they won't post anything, like they have done something no one else has done. If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to hide, I've got people from the forums at the track poking around under the hood, and its all about go ahead man, you've always got to be wary of the guys hiding things

[135pats]

Geez, naysayers anyone? The car has been making this power on stock frames for all of what 3 weeks and everyone is giving up and sayings its good for 450-550 before problems creep up? Honestly we took a lot of Stage 3 logs at much higher power levels but coming in later in the band, and I never saw a flatline in any log, I have no fear we will figure it out easily and quickly, the two best minds in the N54 tuning game are working on it at the same time, shouldn't be long before its figured out. With all that said, the car will NEVER be a track monster in 6MT form, once we get a proper tranny upgrade or someone swaps in a DCT with the Dodson upgrade will see some real 1/4 mile times, I am confident we can get in the 10's with the right tuning on the 6MT, but a proper tranny will reveal what the platform can do.

I didn't mean to come off as overly-negative, or anti-VTT. Not in the least.

My point was just that the the tuning in particular seems to be on a knife's edge once you clear 550WHP or so. The number of singles that are running well, and consistently is minimal as ChuckD pointed out.

I don't doubt for a second that the STG3s will make outrageous power once everything is sorted and tuning is 100%.

In the mean time, just wish I could have greater confidence in a single kit running properly.

[Tony@VargasTurboTech]

I didn't mean to come off as overly-negative, or anti-VTT. Not in the least.

My point was just that the the tuning in particular seems to be on a knife's edge once you clear 550WHP or so. The number of singles that are running well, and consistently is minimal as ChuckD pointed out.

I don't doubt for a second that the STG3s will make outrageous power once everything is sorted and tuning is 100%.

In the mean time, just wish I could have greater confidence in a single kit running properly.

Nah you were fine, I am just being the voice of reason, that this will be figured out and I think the cars will start moving pretty good at the track once we get things figured out a little more. Its just a good discussion