Car and Driver compares the 2015 BMW F82 M4 to the Porsche 991 Carrera... and picks the M4

[rawad1017]

The specs for the M3/M4 weren't even out when ford developed the new mustang so I'm not sure what your point is here. If anything, they used the E9x as a benchmark which means that they are way behind at this point.

there have been rumors of the f8x being ~430hp for YEARS, the chassis of the e9x was the benchmark. it's not like ford is directly gonna copy BMW but they knew (kinda) what to prepare for.

[Sticky]

The specs for the M3/M4 weren't even out when ford developed the new mustang so I'm not sure what your point is here. If anything, they used the E9x as a benchmark which means that they are way behind at this point.

What makes you think they are way behind? Because BMW replaced the E9X? I assure you Ford does not wait around to see what BMW does before updating the Mustang.

[Mr. Boost]

Please don't talk about price when you're comparing apples and oranges. If I want a muscle car with a pick up truck, plastic interior then I'd get a mustang. The M3/M4 gives refinement, luxury, technology, style and performance in one package. At the end of the day I want more than just numbers on a piece of paper.

[Sticky]

Please don't talk about price when you're comparing apples and oranges. If I want a muscle car with a pick up truck, plastic interior then I'd get a mustang. The M3/M4 gives refinement, luxury, technology, style and performance in one package. At the end of the day I want more than just numbers on a piece of paper.

I'm not sure who you are responding to but we all understand the M3/M4 offer things the Mustang does not that justify its higher price point. We are talking about a BMW and a Ford. I'm sure most of us have BMW's and not Mustangs here for a reason.

[Mr. Boost]

What makes you think they are way behind? Because BMW replaced the E9X? I assure you Ford does not wait around to see what BMW does before updating the Mustang.

I agree. But I don't think that benchmarking a 7 year old platform is going to put you ahead.

[Sticky]

I agree. But I don't think that benchmarking a 7 year old platform is going to put you ahead.

I think the problem is that is what you think Ford is doing. I don't think they are I think they're going to be setting some benchmarks of their own especially with the new GT350.

[Mr. Boost]

I think the problem is that is what you think Ford is doing. I don't think they are I think they're going to be setting some benchmarks of their own especially with the new GT350.

I think the '15 5.0 itself will set benchmarks but within its class. I think the GT350 will smash the new M4 in a straight line but again it's apples and oranges. M4 is balanced and has the complete package. Whereas I think the GT350 is one of the best drag cars for the money.

[Sticky]

I think the '15 5.0 itself will set benchmarks but within its class. I think the GT350 will smash the new M4 in a straight line but again it's apples and oranges. M4 is balanced and has the complete package. Whereas I think the GT350 is one of the best drag cars for the money.

The GT350 is being built as a roadcourse car not a dragster which is more what the GT500 will be.

[rawad1017]

idk man it's gonna be the most fierce mustang vs m3 era yet, the m4 is top of its class right now and tearing $#@! up on the road course and straight line

[Sered]

I think the '15 5.0 itself will set benchmarks but within its class. I think the GT350 will smash the new M4 in a straight line but again it's apples and oranges. M4 is balanced and has the complete package. Whereas I think the GT350 is one of the best drag cars for the money.

Not sure if you're one to be discussing these things if you can't distinguish between a GT500 and the upcoming GT350. I don't know if the GT350 will 'smash' the M3/M4 in a straight line, but I'm pretty sure they are building it up to be very nasty on a roadcourse. It won't be as nice inside and it probably won't be as fun to drive, but it's definitely far beyond what it used to be, even 5 years ago.

[Sticky]

Not sure if you're one to be discussing these things if you can't distinguish between a GT500 and the upcoming GT350. I don't know if the GT350 will 'smash' the M3/M4 in a straight line, but I'm pretty sure they are building it up to be very nasty on a roadcourse. It won't be as nice inside and it probably won't be as fun to drive, but it's definitely far beyond what it used to be, even 5 years ago.

Yeah man I have to agree I don't think he knows what the GT350 is. I also don't think he knows it's going to destroy every BMW in the lineup around the track.

[rawad1017]

Yeah man I have to agree I don't think he knows what the GT350 is. I also don't think he knows it's going to destroy every BMW in the lineup around the track.

m4 will $#@! on it

[spool twice]

3544lbs for that E92 M3 from MT? I didn't realize how close the weight is between an E92 and an F82 that it could go both ways depending on equipment.

The M3 was never about beating a Mustang, it was about making the car a benchmark for the bottom-rung super-sport sedan class (AMG, S, F, and V). Look back at history, the E36 M3 has been slower than the Mustang Cobra (320hp) of it's time, and ran neck-to-neck with the updated 260HP GT version. The E46 M3 rang neck-to-neck with the 305HP GT version and was crushed by the GT500. The M3 was never meant to be a drag car as it always represented a benchmark in the feeling of subjectivity (feedback, suspension feel/control, sharp responses), never about objective raw numbers.

[Sticky]

3544lbs for that E92 M3 from MT? I didn't realize how close the weight is between an E92 and an F82 that it could go both ways depending on equipment.

Been saying this forever. The F82 is not as light as we were led to believe.

The E46 M3 rang neck-to-neck with the 305HP GT version and was crushed by the GT500.

The E46 M3 never went up against the GT500. It ended production before that car came out.

[spool twice]

oooh...for some reason I thought it came out in 2005.

[BlackJetE90OC]

m4 will $#@! on it

GT350 is going to merk the M4 around the track.

[rawad1017]

GT350 is going to merk the M4 around the track.

///M POWER

[BlackJetE90OC]

///M POWER

Going to get merked, like the new Z28 would merk the M4.

[rawad1017]

Going to get merked, like the new Z28 would merk the M4.

i would actually like to see a comparison between the 2 cars since their power levels are close