Anyone see this from ETS?

[ChuckD05]

the newer jap cars arent that easy either

[Eleventeen]

Ya know how some women are attracted to the bad boys that only bring them drama and heartache? I swear I have the same affliction, but with cars...

[Eleventeen]

the newer jap cars arent that easy either

That's probably true. The last one I had was my Evo IX. Thinking back on it, that car seems nice and simple.

[benzy89]

Ya know how some women are attracted to the bad boys that only bring them drama and heartache? I swear I have the same affliction, but with cars...

Well German cars & those kinds of women share another trait: they always think they know what's best. The truth is that there's always room for improvement.

[Dirty Dog]

Ya know how some women are attracted to the bad boys that only bring them drama and heartache? I swear I have the same affliction, but with cars...

[vasillalov]

Its good to see more options and if people are willing to blow stuff up so be it. You can do that with any tune. Some do it to test limits others due to lack of knowledge/experience.

I will say though that given what I've experienced working with Cobb on their tuning its really not about exposing and just updating tables. Some of you may recall that we were fuel limited with just table remapping until Rob came up with the MAF fix that opened up a lot more fueling potential. Also, boost limits. These aren't table related changes and go deeper than that...just my 2c

Now, if they opened up the tables for the transmission computer, that could definitely be VERY useful.

I have to agree with Dzenno and even venture to say that the N54 platform is FINALLY coming out of its infancy stage and entering its teenager years when it comes to software tuning.

When we get to the point where we have tuners that completely erase the ECU logic and reprogram completely new algorithms, then we can call the N54 scene mature enough.

[vasillalov]

I remember reading that someone has tried sending the same signal to both o2 sensors. The bottom line, is that the DME has a way of knowing which bank the exhaust pulses are coming from.

Absolutely! Think about it... The DME actively adjusts each individual cylinder timing advance and each individual injector pulses on the go. It absolutely knows what exhaust pulse is coming out of which cylinder.

What I am curious to find out is at what stage are the ProEFI guys at with this.

[Flinchy]

Absolutely! Think about it... The DME actively adjusts each individual cylinder timing advance and each individual injector pulses on the go. It absolutely knows what exhaust pulse is coming out of which cylinder.

What I am curious to find out is at what stage are the ProEFI guys at with this.

Well, the proefi being a full standalone, they can create whatever the hell they want

what stage they're up to? *shrug*

will they be able to do it? Of course

i'm more worried about whether or not they're still progressing, there hasn't really been much info on it for some time

i know a lot of people.. They get evo x, their first mod is a standalone so they don't have to deal with factory ecu headaches.. Same story with a skyline or supra, if you plan on big mods with any of them, the factory ecu will cause more pain in the long run - the n54 will probably be the same

with the amount of time effort that's gone into trying to tune the factory ecu, surely full standalone's could be (near) up and running?

[Eleventeen]

I don't believe the Pro EFI is going to be a full standalone. I doubt it's going to be able to interface with all of the other modules necessary to run the car by itself. Even in the HPF M3's I believe it is just used as a piggyback on the factory DME.

[Turkeybaster115]

The Germans are the worst. It seems like everything is just a dick measuring contest to see just how unecessarily complex they can make everything. I just saw a post on the other site from Jake @ PTF:

+1! rep points for you. Seems like you've experienced what it is like to do any type of repair work on these vehicles. real jerk engineering.

I need another Japanese or domestic LOL.

hopefully a C6 vette is in my future.

[Sticky]

The Germans are the worst. It seems like everything is just a dick measuring contest to see just how unecessarily complex they can make everything.

LOL, feels like it though...

[Sticky]

Ya know how some women are attracted to the bad boys that only bring them drama and heartache? I swear I have the same affliction, but with cars...

I feel you here... I feel you.

[Andrew@activeautowerke]

If he does isn't that a good thing?

Well yeah that would make tuning extremely fast and allow you tune on the street like we do with the e36's.

[benzy89]

I don't believe the Pro EFI is going to be a full standalone. I doubt it's going to be able to interface with all of the other modules necessary to run the car by itself. Even in the HPF M3's I believe it is just used as a piggyback on the factory DME.

They've said the N54 ProEFI (believe they said it'll be a ProEFI 112) will be a complete standalone (strictly controlling engine related functions & traction control) but the OEM DME will remain functional so you don't lose Comfort Access, Dash Display & other distinct BMW features. The 48 is a PNP, but if you're considering the more "affordable" ProEFI you might as well buy one of established options (COBB, JB4, etc).