Anyone know of installs of the following on US based BMWs and if the S/C is as durable as the Vf Superchargers ?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Supercharger...3aa387&vxp=mtr
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Anyone know of installs of the following on US based BMWs and if the S/C is as durable as the Vf Superchargers ?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Supercharger...3aa387&vxp=mtr
This kit looks a little strange. At first glance, great, but then zip ties?
I think the zip ties are just to hold some (sliced) silicone piping around some electrical cables.
It's quite a bit of money for an unknown kit with not so much documentation (no details of the construction of the air2water cooler on the compressor itself), but if you look at this I think it picks up speed pretty nicely. Nice torque through the power band (@ 1:30min):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbyFy8SaC7k&feature=player_detailpage# t=88s
yeah, I was just curious as that "brand" has some nice stuff but this looks like a backyard operation bolt on
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Originally Posted by GuidoK
It would be nice if the designer of the sc setup would give some information about his system.
All available sets have been designed with centrifugal superchargers afaik
I think the m62 engine should be very well suited for a volumetric supercharger as it is a very torqie and low revving engine.
The eaton m112 is a commercially/oem used supercharger, and as a volumetric supercharger runs at much lower revs. So it probably doesn't get more durable than this. (the supercharter that is; the cooling, brackets etc I don't know)Quote:
Originally Posted by Group.america
The kit would probably look a lot better if black silicone hoses were used. The rubber isulation boot (with the tie wraps) wouldn't be so much noticable too..
I'm not sure what kind of ecu is included. The housing looks stock (apart from the blue color obviously) but there's a booklet and a usb? cable.....
I think the ECU included is a K-data M60 kdfi (alpha-N):
http://www.k-data.org/kdfi-pnp-bmw-m60.html
Nice to throw in a $650 ecu on that price.
I don't know about that... I would stay away. There isn't enough info to go on.
There are other M62 options with a known track record.
It would be nice to have more info on that kit indeed. A dyno run+afr info on a dynojet for comparison would be nice :)
When I read the ad twice, I'm not sure if you get the ecu included or not....
And as always: support is everything. Especially on the ecu tune....
It's too ambiguous IMO and software is key with forced induction on BMW's.Quote:
Originally Posted by GuidoK
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Originally Posted by Sticky
Thanks... was looking at it when tinkering with idea of adding S/C to 540 but it looked a bit nefarious
But I think they're all centrifugal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sticky
All volumetric installs I know of are custom projects; no readily available kits.
Maybe the v8 isn't that suitable for a volumetric install. There's not much room in the V if you want the charger seated there, and some cooling and a nice plenum......
They are all centrifugal unfortunately but they work well.Quote:
Originally Posted by GuidoK
@THATDONFC has a very nice centri manifold you need to see...
Ill post some pics of Jim's engine bay as soon as I button her up. Ran into a few fuel rail issues today but I should have her ready tomorrow.
I asked for the installation instructions, but he said he had an issue where someone had stolen his plans and then copied his system. He only finally sent me the instructions after I negotiated a price and paid for his system. He said it'll take about a month to get made and shipped, so I've got more time to keep doing research. I've got the instruction in my email via a Word document, but like all other conversations with him, it's a very poor German to English translation via Google Translate. Anyone w/ suggestions as to where I can post the instructions and then be able to link onto forums for free?
I'll gladly host them for you @m5jamesQuote:
Originally Posted by m5james
Mind you these instructions contain old pics (you can see newer tubing and other design changes on current eBay adds) and is a VERY poor German to English translation, here are the installation instructions - http://static.daom.nl/e38_eaton112compressor.pdf I'v asked him for the German version to which I'll post also, then I'll have a friend translate it for me in person and see if we can post something more easily understood. Once my friend and I do the install, I fully intend to document EVERYTHING and see about even re-writing the instructions for this guy.
Hello everybody im new to this so be easy on me! I too have this kit. It doesnt look all that bad but it did take almost 3months to get to me. The seller did not send me directions so rite now just bin tring to get ahold of the seller but he doesn not answer back! Guess he figures he got my 4 grand so who cares. Has anybody installed this kit yet and have any understandable instructions
I find it crazy you guys are buying a no-name supercharger kit that hasn't been tried and tested.
I don't know what you determine as proven, but there are videos of running versions of this kit in all 3 stages he's created. I've discussed in naussem as to why I've gotten this kit (most importantly roots > centrifugal), but at the end of the day, 90% of his kit is in fact proven being the Eaton M112 supercharger itself. He's taken a proven supercharger and intake plenum, made some adapter plates and then added a RRFRP to get fuel. I agree it's not perfect, but I'm fully capable of fixing whatever may come up after installation..by biggest concern is fuel delivery and tuning. At this point, I've paid $4200 for throttle provisions for bot a non-VANOS 98 740iL and VANOS X5 vehicle, a completely rebuilt and powercoated supercharger, is adapter plates and parts for intercooling...things I probably could have done myself, but he's done it for me, leaving me to tie up the loose ends. Even if I put $1000 into additional effort into it, it's still cheaper than a VF or Dinan kit, and no matter what the power deleivery of this supercharger is wildly different than a centrifugal - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXVyweyoPfE
My DD for the moment, a Harley F150 used that same M112 supercharger at I've upgraded to a twin screw Kenne Bell pushing well over 600hp. I'll never be able to get those numbers in my X5, maybe in my 740iL, but it's still a better supercharger than the Vortech...in my opinion.
Get blown ITT
Ebay Supercharger kits
M60/M62/S62 Turbo - Who want's it bad enough?
E39 E38 E39 M62/M62TU supercharger kit for sale
http://www.xoutpost.com/bmw-sav-foru...t-germany.html
You have a V8 for God's sake, I don't know why you just wouldn't build that up and use a CF for the top end. It's not like you have a 4 or 6 cylinder that needs a turbo or Roots. If you need torque down low, you need a better engine.
Actually, turbo is good for better gas mileage. S/C has way too much parasitic drain. When I drive my 540i now, I can can see the gas gauge go down 1/4 tank after 65 miles. Hopefully a new tune will help, but thanks that it is only my week-end car.
Very true.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigM62
I think sticky means the kit as a whole. Especially the dme tuning/injectors etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by m5james
I'm sure sticky knows the commercial implementations of the m112 and that it's about as indestructible as they come. The biggest challenge is the tuning.
But with all these kits: support is verything. That said, someone was also the first to try a AA kit or ESS kit.
Need for torque down low depends on the drive ratio. The choice of CF or volumetric is imho more based on how the engine's used/suited. An engine that loves to rev (and is used in that way) is more suitable for a CF.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigM62
Is a 540i such a car/engine? (personally I think not)
Exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by GuidoK
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Originally Posted by GuidoK
^ You posted inside the quote tags.
"Need for down low torque" depends on displacement or a turbo. Ask any GM or AMG engineer.
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Originally Posted by BigM62
I'm driving a 4800lb car, 5200lb SUV and a 5500lbs truck...a roots blower will get them off the line like nothing else will, after that, momentum keeps them going. I don't want an Autobahn racer (centrifugal), I want a street light runner (roots/twin screw) that'll get my pigs off their asses.
As for needing a bigger engine...what do you think FI is? If I have a 4.4l engine, for every 14.7lbs of boost added, that's like doubling the engine size. Everything from buses to semi's add FI for a reason...bigger displacement power delivery at small(er) engine mileage. I'm only going to run 6ish lbs in the X5, I'll push the 740iL6 until I'm satisfied (I'm guessing 15ish on the built engine I have in it) and I'm running anywhere from 14-24lbs in my Harley F150 based on the pulley/fuel I'm running. Short of doing an engine swap to an LSx (which I'll do after I pop the engine in the X5), this is the best I can do to have "a better engine"
Agreed, but the reason VF and Dinan went to centrifugal is because headers and all the other crap required aren't the easy part. While centrifugal is basically a belt driven turbo, it's not adjustable via a wastegate, so not nearly as fun because the tradeoff is that the max psi is only reached at the max RPM's of the engine, which I think is dangerous...as if redlining an engine isn't hard enough, then a centrifugal will be throwing in another 6-8psi...sounds like a recipe for things breaking because users only get to see the most power at the highest revs. I'll stick to turbo or roots, centrifugal is a bandaid fix for getting boost.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigM62
I think you are missing the point. If you have a little 6 cyl. engine then by all means go turbo or roots. But if you have a big boy's engine, then all you need is a little top end.Quote:
Originally Posted by m5james
Compared to old body style X5's like mine that have a 4.6-4.8 as an engine option to newer X's that offer the same or even twin turbo 4.4l, or the ML/SRT8 that offer 6.2l V8's, I need all the help I can get...a supercharged 4.4 will at least get me on the neighborhood, but at 1/4 to 1/8 the cost.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amwsfUUhT1gQuote:
Originally Posted by m5james
$2000 more than their standard ProCharger (VF and Dinan use Vortech ones anyways), but awesome they figured out how to make it adjustable like a turbo.
There are other adjustable supercharger boost options as well. Audi's system, although not centrifugal, for example.Quote:
Originally Posted by m5james
That is one awesome head unit.
Look what got delivered FIVE MINUTES after I'd left for work. I work until 1am tonight, this day is going to be soooo long http://images.bimmerforums.com/smilies/biggrin.gif
All I see is an unopened box!
I got the text and the pic as I was merging on the freeway...I damn near called in sick lol, but then my level head said that'd cost me a days pay as well as cut into my Bimmerfest vacation time. I'm going to examine everything tonight after work, then take it to my buddies who's going to help me install it and give it a second set of eyes since I don't have recent instructions since this is supposedly much different than the first design. My buddies recently done an M3 swap into a 318ti and now he's doing an M62 swap and ODBI conversion into his E34 540i, so I'm confident he'll be able to help me see things maybe I'd miss that could cause installation issues. Unfortunately I've still gotta order gaskets, wideband 02, Evans coolant and a few other bits and pieces, so it'll be another week or so of agony before I can even start the installation.
First box I received didn't include the SC, I was so excited. Instead it was the newly design plenum, Turbosmart fuel cut defenser and fuel pressure regulator, two air to water intercoolers (one sits inside the supercharger, the other behind the bumper) and associated hoses, intercooler pump and resevoir, gaskets between the heads and adapter plates, fuel rails and lines.
Today's box (once again after I'd left for work) should contain the supercharger, adapter plates, throttle body provisions (for both a non-VANOS and VANOS engine) and I'm not sure what else I might be missing. Once again it's going to be another long day :D
Photos are uploading to Photobucket as we speak, so I'll attach soon.