Gintani S65 V8 twin turbo kit dyno video

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Originally Posted by Group.america

The thing that annoys me about even thinking about dealing with GINTANI is getting responses, tranparency, even a simple website with prices..... plus why don't they release these things to bimmerboost who for mind has their biggest SUPPORTER in sticky... far easier to deal with AA and VAC Motorsports etc if you want a boosted E92....

What is approx cost of the Gintani TT and approx power/talk numbers they are beta'd at so far ?

here is their E9x web

http://www.gintani.com/products.ews?..._Cart.ewdid=23

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Trust me man I wish I had more details and info :(

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Originally Posted by Sticky

Trust me man I wish I had more details and info :(

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I have called/emailed them in the past.... zip response so they will be getting zip business

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Originally Posted by Group.america

I have called/emailed them in the past.... zip response so they will be getting zip business

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This day and age you really need a presence online...especially with the car community. That being said, seems like they have a really good product that is being perfected before being launched. I know its taking a while but i'm betting its really good once its ready to be released.

I agree with you, the v8 e9x m3 is a absolute keeper. I'm still amazed at the attention I receive with this car. Wayyyy way more attention than I got with my 335 and my 335 was a really nice looking car (IMO). I have people snapping pics of my car on the highway....its funny to me lol.

BTW - if your looking at blowers, as you said take a look at AA, VF through VAC and don't forget about Evolve. My evolve is being shipped as we speak. I drove LM's car and it was killer.

I thought Lost Marine used an ESS blower :laughing-rofl:

Who is doing your Evolve install ?

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Originally Posted by bobS

This day and age you really need a presence online...especially with the car community. That being said, seems like they have a really good product that is being perfected before being launched. I know its taking a while but i'm betting its really good once its ready to be released.

I agree with you, the v8 e9x m3 is a absolute keeper. I'm still amazed at the attention I receive with this car. Wayyyy way more attention than I got with my 335 and my 335 was a really nice looking car (IMO). I have people snapping pics of my car on the highway....its funny to me lol.

BTW - if your looking at blowers, as you said take a look at AA, VF through VAC and don't forget about Evolve. My evolve is being shipped as we speak. I drove LM's car and it was killer.

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I have always offered to help Gintani with this. There really isn't anyone who could do the posting and editing of content and parts better. I'm sitting right here and available. Others utilize me...

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Originally Posted by Group.america

I thought Lost Marine used an ESS blower :laughing-rofl:

Who is doing your Evolve install ?

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Nope....lost has a evolve kit. Its running really really well.

AutoCouture Motoring is doing my install. Besides doing great work, I live 20 min from their shop so its very convienant for me.

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Originally Posted by bobS

Nope....lost has a evolve kit. Its running really really well.

AutoCouture Motoring is doing my install. Besides doing great work, I live 20 min from their shop so its very convienant for me.

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You definitely want a close shop with experience. Especially if any maintenance issues pop up or you want to change pulleys or whatever.

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Originally Posted by Sticky

You definitely want a close shop with experience. Especially if any maintenance issues pop up or you want to change pulleys or whatever.

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Thats exactly why I go to them. I can drop my car off and take the train home. Also take the train back and pick up the car. No bothering anyone for a ride. Plus, they always do the work right the first time and look out for my car. It will be their first Evolve install :)

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Originally Posted by bobS

Thats exactly why I go to them. I can drop my car off and take the train home. Also take the train back and pick up the car. No bothering anyone for a ride. Plus, they always do the work right the first time and look out for my car. It will be their first Evolve install :)

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Right on brotha, that's badass how you just pulled the trigger on a blower. Great kit too IMO, probably the best for stock S65.

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Originally Posted by benzy89

Sometimes it's more about the driving experience... BUT if I was going to build a killer TT E9x M3, it'd be an E92 and more than likely I would take the Gintani kit, convert it to Air/Air Intercooling and then standalone EMS for Flex Fuel and a more advanced traction control system. If a DCT upgrade existed that had proven itself to be reliable and a legitimate advantage over a 6MT (standalone EMS means you can tune in NLS), then maybe it'd be a viable option.


BUT as of right now there's no proven (short or long term) DCT upgrade, so realistically a 6MT is the only option unless you're into replacing DCTs after a couple Kill Mode pulls. I mean even the DCTs in the high power GTRs aren't known for being "long term reliable", and at ~$26k (Level 4 for 1,200 TQ -- Off ShepTrans website) it's far from being cost effective. Especially now that AMS has released the Alpha 16, which of course puts out over 1,200 WTQ :angry-banghead: While you've got options with the E9x M3, the GTR is DCT and checkbook required.

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I agree with Benzy89,

I've been waiting for this option since the E9X was released. now to see this TTkit on a built S65 and a Stroked S65 /6mt to see which puts down the most and lasts the longest with that boost.

I Hope they take this beast to the Shift-Sector 1/2m event next month and Smash everyone Nuts with this......

As a Matter of fact,

I can already see me applying what i've learned to work well on the E46 platform, working Magic on the E9x platform...

ID2000 Injectors
AEM infinity-8 w/flex fuel sensor
93 & E85 tune
Radium HO Performance Fuel Rail w/Gauge & Damper (not released yet)
Radium oil surge tank
Radium MFPST kit with a Triple Walbro 400e fuel pumps (1 in-tank and dual in surge tank)
-8AN or -10AN fittings and associating Fuel lines

Built and/or Stroker 4.6L motor
WPC treated Pistons, bearings, Shrick cams
etc,etc........

Damn I can't wait....

Sounds like a good plan^

Thinking this topic will get hot, Is it an idea to use this thread for off topic chat about this setup and the new thread for technical updates?

Put links in op of each to redirect.


Technical update
http://www.bimmerboost.com/showthrea...phs-and-Video/

Related and Off topic chat for love and hating
http://www.bimmerboost.com/showthrea...it-dyno-video/

What's driveability and throttle response like compared to stock?
I'd like to see small turbos like some rb on n54 to keep the low down spool fast and build boost earlier than the 3k here. Do you think that will be possible?
Thanks

Do you have to buy a whole new kit if you already have the supercharger kit?<br><br>

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Originally Posted by m3wu

Do you have to buy a whole new kit if you already have the supercharger kit?<br><br>

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Is this a serious question?

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Originally Posted by crypticc

What's driveability and throttle response like compared to stock?
I'd like to see small turbos like some rb on n54 to keep the low down spool fast and build boost earlier than the 3k here. Do you think that will be possible?
Thanks

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The response isn't stock level as nothing is but it is almost the same with far better response down low than the superchargers. I hate the supercharger down low. It kills throttle response.

It builds boost well before 3k. It's a 12.0:1 4.0 liter V8 motor running mild boost. The lag will be less than an N54 with better low end response.

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Originally Posted by Sticky

Is this a serious question?

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Maybe he means some of the worm clamps.

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Originally Posted by Sticky

It builds boost well before 3k. It's a 12.0:1 4.0 liter V8 motor running mild boost. The lag will be less than an N54 with better low end response.

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Sigh, Sticky did you really just say that with a straight face? Just taking quick look at the the graph Gintani just posted compared to the graph we just posted. The N54 makes more WTQ at 3200 then the S65 does at its peak WTQ point of 6000, then the N54 goes on to hold more WTQ from that point to redline than the S65 makes at its peak. That is the epitome of better low end response, well unless you consider peak WTQ at 6K RPM good low end response. There are a lot of things the S65 does nicely, making a lot of torque and providing good low end power are not among them.

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Originally Posted by VargasTurboTech

Sigh, Sticky did you really just say that with a straight face? Just taking quick look at the the graph Gintani just posted compared to the graph we just posted. The N54 makes more WTQ at 3200 then the S65 does at its peak WTQ point of 6000, then the N54 goes on to hold more WTQ from that point to redline than the S65 makes at its peak. That is the epitome of better low end response, well unless you consider peak WTQ at 6K RPM good low end response. There are a lot of things the S65 does nicely, making a lot of torque and providing good low end power are not among them.

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Gintani's graph is posted on a dynojet which is an inertia based dyno. It obviously will not replicate real world load.

I can say from experience with modded N54's and S65's the E9X M3 twin turbo kit offers the best throttle response out of any other option. So, yes, I'm saying that with a straight face as someone who actually has experienced it.

The S65 is a 4.0 liter V8. At 12.0:1 compression and being a larger motor it will always spool similar sized turbos faster than the N54 can ever hope to while holding that torque to a much higher redline for greater horsepower. That is simply how it is.

Thanks