M4 Nurburgring Time: 7:52

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Originally Posted by Obioban

The GTS was laughable compared to the CSL. It was 4 seconds faster with...
adjustable suspension (GTS) vs fixed (CSL)
multi piston calipers (GTS) vs traditional BMW crap (CSL)
adjustable aero and external wings (GTS) vs tweaked body panels (CSL)
stroked engine (GTS) vs intake/cames (CSL)
2 seats (GTS) vs 4 (CSL)
Gutted/caged interior (GTS) vs not (CSL)
more modern tires (GTS) vs older (CSL)

Nothing about it was impressive or favorable to the image of e9x chassis imo.

As for the time posted for the F8X, it's both impressive an exactly where I'd expect it to be. Put some non street tires on it, and it'll be faster than the GTS or CSL, much less the base models.

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adjustable suspension is as only as good as the adjustments

multi piston calipers aren't necessarily better for performance outright

adjustable aero/wings are only as good as the adjustments again

engine, seating, gutted + caged, tires.. all valid however lol.

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Originally Posted by Flinchy

the only way it can help is if modulation is the problem - if you can lock up the wheels you have enough braking FORCE

however, if the difference between not locking up the wheels and locking up the wheels isn't smooth, then yeah, more progressive pads/calipers will obviously help, you're right.

tires are still the defining factor in braking distance in the end... so if you're not using the best tires you can before dropping 10k+ on CCB's.. ok so it's not quite as bad as throwing that cash in the fire, but it's the next step behind it lol.

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Exactly if you have enough braking force that the tires lose grip you are limited by the grip of the tires and not the brakes at that point.

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Originally Posted by Sticky

Exactly if you have enough braking force that the tires lose grip you are limited by the grip of the tires and not the brakes at that point.

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too often people overlook (or just have never thought about it) the fact the only thing touching the ground is the tire.. and every property of the tire (thickness/stiffness etc.) must be considered if you're planning on spending good money like that.. unless it's literally just for bling, then whatever!

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Originally Posted by Flinchy

adjustable suspension is as only as good as the adjustments

multi piston calipers aren't necessarily better for performance outright

adjustable aero/wings are only as good as the adjustments again

engine, seating, gutted + caged, tires.. all valid however lol.

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So you think they didn't know how to set it up properly when setting the ring time?

Even assuming that's correct (seems unlikely), you're talking about car than has has what makes the M3 brilliant removed (functional street car that seats 4). If you give that up, why not just get a bette//Porsche?

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Originally Posted by Obioban

So you think they didn't know how to set it up properly when setting the ring time?

Even assuming that's correct (seems unlikely), you're talking about car than has has what makes the M3 brilliant removed (functional street car that seats 4). If you give that up, why not just get a bette//Porsche?

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not necessarily

but there's the potential of at least a few tenths in adjustment, if not potentially more

but when you've lapped 4 seconds off (significant), and it's costing likely tens of thousands to optimize it a tiny bit more for pure wank factor

i dunno why they would bother?

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Originally Posted by Flinchy

not necessarily

but there's the potential of at least a few tenths in adjustment, if not potentially more

but when you've lapped 4 seconds off (significant), and it's costing likely tens of thousands to optimize it a tiny bit more for pure wank factor

i dunno why they would bother?

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I think you're severely underestimating the value they put into those times.

But, that said, if they couldn't optimize the GTS to be faster... who could?

I'm not saying they couldn't, of course they could... There's just little point as seconds is a HUGE deal already.

there is a gts coming btw. i know what I'm talking about, they could never let the older gen stock be superior on the track

I'd love to see what would happen if they gave the M3 GTS the M4's horsepower.

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Originally Posted by Sticky

I'd love to see what would happen if they gave the M3 GTS the M4's horsepower.

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it would shit on the m4 gts