Steed Speed to Start making N54 Twin Scroll CNC Manifolds.

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Originally Posted by idratherbesurfing

For the first time i finally saw the VM KIT in person! Im going to be honest...i haven't seen many cars with a top mount turbo like that (most half way down or near bottom of motor). there is legit ZERO ROOM in that engine bay and soo much heat produced! I dont understand why anyone would want that other then for "looks". with my lack of experience and knowledge i cant figure out how the hell a bottom mount turbo does not preform better!! I will say the vm kit quality was great...but the filter looks like a pancake....600+ hp and youre going to tell me thats efficient?? Im going to be driving my car all over with the addition of track days...i want something reliable for everything and it just seems like bottom mount is the way. Maybe im wrong? :confused:

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My question would be can a bottom or top mount fit a bigger turbo?

OEM's are doing top mounts with twins fitted very close together. If they can manage to heat on factory cooling systems...

It copy pasted on accident

Why are you posting the same thing again?

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Originally Posted by Sticky

Why are you posting the same thing again?

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And your question is already answered. The EFR turbo can not fit up top its way too long and clearly he has it mounted down bottom. But thats the length i dont know how much bigger of a compressor size you can fit down there

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Originally Posted by idratherbesurfing

And your question is already answered. The EFR turbo can not fit up top its way too long and clearly he has it mounted down bottom. But thats the length i dont know how much bigger of a compressor size you can fit down there

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Doesn't it really depend on the manifold design though? Not all the top mounts and bottom mounts are the same.

I think we have yet to see the best from either and it will come.

well looking at the vm kit...it was kind of dark out but it looked like the hotside was nearly touching the inner body of the engine bay, which means you cant push it back and farther and the filter is so damn small up front if the turbo was any longer youd have no filter on it.

And i agree with you, The best is to come. all these companies just started breaking the surface with this platform. we have much more amazing products and discoveries to happen! as much as these guys argue like red headed step children on here...theyve been dong great jobs and i look foward to future progress!

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Originally Posted by idratherbesurfing

For the first time i finally saw the VM KIT in person! Im going to be honest...i haven't seen many cars with a top mount turbo like that (most half way down or near bottom of motor). there is legit ZERO ROOM in that engine bay and soo much heat produced! I dont understand why anyone would want that other then for "looks". with my lack of experience and knowledge i cant figure out how the hell a bottom mount turbo does not preform better!! I will say the vm kit quality was great...but the filter looks like a pancake....600+ hp and youre going to tell me thats efficient?? Im going to be driving my car all over with the addition of track days...i want something reliable for everything and it just seems like bottom mount is the way. Maybe im wrong? :confused:

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36k miles with my top mount daily driver, canyon pusher, highway monster seems to be doing fine for me! As long as you have turbo blanket and the downpipe heat wrapped or coated you will be fine. Definitely more heat than a bottom mount, but where does heat go? Heat rises, so no matter what it will get very hot. I don't see top mounts being an issue if you have done the proper things to ensure nothing will go wrong. Take a look at GTIs, Cobalt ss, Mini coopers, Evos, STI, etc etc are all basically top/side mount turbos that are ridiculously close to things you wouldn't believe. They're still production cars and haven't heard of any issues with them!

Here is mini cooper with their stock location Top mount:
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The filter has been tested and verified to show no loss in power. The KN filter we used to use however was a big restriction in power and we tested that on the dyno as well. The BMS filter provided a lot more surface area and has a much better design so it doesn't flex. Read post 15 in this thread where I commented:


http://www.bimmerboost.com/content.p...ction-757-rwhp

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Originally Posted by fastgti69

36k miles with my top mount daily driver, canyon pusher, highway monster seems to be doing fine for me! As long as you have turbo blanket and the downpipe heat wrapped or coated you will be fine. Definitely more heat than a bottom mount, but where does heat go? Heat rises, so no matter what it will get very hot. I don't see top mounts being an issue if you have done the proper things to ensure nothing will go wrong. Take a look at GTIs, Cobalt ss, Mini coopers, Evos, STI, etc etc are all basically top/side mount turbos that are ridiculously close to things you wouldn't believe. They're still production cars and haven't heard of any issues with them!

Here is mini cooper with their stock location Top mount:
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The filter has been tested and verified to show no loss in power. The KN filter we used to use however was a big restriction in power and we tested that on the dyno as well. The BMS filter provided a lot more surface area and has a much better design so it doesn't flex. Read post 15 in this thread where I commented:


http://www.bimmerboost.com/content.p...ction-757-rwhp

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Yeah youre right ive had 2 STIs already mid high turbo mount with no issues. That's why I added the word unexperienced opinion into my last paragraph so I didn't come off like I knew what I was talking about haha

And by the way the guy running the VM kit that i saw drove to the quarter mile off the street and trapped a 123 mph first pass haha!

And regardless of what great kit I choose everything will be wrapped in heat tape, wrap, blankets ect...

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Originally Posted by idratherbesurfing

Yeah youre right ive had 2 STIs already mid high turbo mount with no issues. That's why I added the word unexperienced opinion into my last paragraph so I didn't come off like I knew what I was talking about haha

And by the way the guy running the VM kit that i saw drove to the quarter mile off the street and trapped a 123 mph first pass haha!

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Hahah no worries at all! Its definitely hotter up top wherever the turbo is, can't deny that :).

123 trap? Not bad, do you know the member? What location are you in?

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Originally Posted by idratherbesurfing

well looking at the vm kit...it was kind of dark out but it looked like the hotside was nearly touching the inner body of the engine bay, which means you cant push it back and farther and the filter is so damn small up front if the turbo was any longer youd have no filter on it.

And i agree with you, The best is to come. all these companies just started breaking the surface with this platform. we have much more amazing products and discoveries to happen! as much as these guys argue like red headed step children on here...theyve been dong great jobs and i look foward to future progress!

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Originally Posted by fastgti69

Hahah no worries at all! Its definitely hotter up top wherever the turbo is, can't deny that :).

123 trap? Not bad, do you know the member? What location are you in?

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I dont even think hes on the forums...Toms river, NJ. Blue e92 335i auto with some m3 body parts

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Originally Posted by idratherbesurfing

I dont even think hes on the forums...Toms river, NJ. Blue e92 335i auto with some m3 body parts

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Ahhh yes Tom! Havent talked to him in a while, glad he got is car up and out to the track!

The bms filter is a little bit ristrictive payam! I tested it on the dyno. Made 700whp without filter and 685whp with filter on the same setting(both 3 runs for a good compare) :)

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Originally Posted by The Convert

That's what I am sayin! Enough of the cheap talk and $#! slinging butthurt attitude and more results. This project has already been a disappointment based on the timeline he was so sure about. Let's see how the power results go that he is so sure about.

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Lol! No butthurt here. Motiv decided to infringe on my patent and they also decided to call me and proceed to be rude to me over the phone. I am laughing every day right now because I know exactly what my result is going to be. I'm coming to a knife fight with a shotgun.

Update on kit development. John is sending drawings and parts so I can help him out with the water outlet, oil feeds etc. I can make these for next to nothing and will expect John to reflect that in the price. I'll help him as much as I can to make the kit very affordable for you guys. I'm not doing this one for the money anyway.

yes Blaster3500, we might do an EWG version later. See how we do with IWG though. I think you will be impressed

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Originally Posted by steedspeed

Lol! No butthurt here. Motiv decided to infringe on my patent and they also decided to call me and proceed to be rude to me over the phone. I am laughing every day right now because I know exactly what my result is going to be. I'm coming to a knife fight with a shotgun.

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Any plans to add a wastegate flange for those that do not want to run an internally gated EFR?

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Originally Posted by steedspeed

Lol! No butthurt here. Motiv decided to infringe on my patent and they also decided to call me and proceed to be rude to me over the phone. I am laughing every day right now because I know exactly what my result is going to be. I'm coming to a knife fight with a shotgun.

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I think this shit slinging without posting a single result is a poor idea. It would be a different story if you already had results, and they were better. I honestly cannot see one CNC manifold being so much better than another, as to say you are bringing shotgun to a knife fight. I would just sit back, and not say anything else til you post results

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Originally Posted by steedspeed

I'm predicting at least 400 ftlbs at 3000 with a nice strong top end from whatever the 9174 or 9180 turbo can feed into it.

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I wish you luck, but you that would require spooling like stock turbos which would be a tall order.

Thanks for the update! In for results.

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Originally Posted by steedspeed

Lol! No butthurt here. Motiv decided to infringe on my patent and they also decided to call me and proceed to be rude to me over the phone. I am laughing every day right now because I know exactly what my result is going to be. I'm coming to a knife fight with a shotgun.

Update on kit development. John is sending drawings and parts so I can help him out with the water outlet, oil feeds etc. I can make these for next to nothing and will expect John to reflect that in the price. I'll help him as much as I can to make the kit very affordable for you guys. I'm not doing this one for the money anyway.

yes Blaster3500, we might do an EWG version later. See how we do with IWG though. I think you will be impressed

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Kindly keep in mind Motivi is a supporting vendor here and you are a GUEST.

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Originally Posted by Sticky

Kindly keep in mind Motivi is a supporting vendor here and you are a GUEST.

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So only vendors can talk about other vendors? Besides, that had to be the most tame vendor bashing on here probably ever.

Looking forward to results. Would love to slap on an EFR.

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Originally Posted by Weehe

So only vendors can talk about other vendors? Besides, that had to be the most tame vendor bashing on here probably ever.

Looking forward to results. Would love to slap on an EFR.

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You can read over the rules if you like but guest vendors are required to respect our supporting vendors and not bash them.

Whether it's 'tame' bashing or not does not matter. It does not reflect well on anyone to have guest vendors attacking our vendors here.

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Originally Posted by blaster3500

Any plans to add a wastegate flange for those that do not want to run an internally gated EFR?

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I was hoping that was just the plan..guess not. ��

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Originally Posted by fastgti69

Ahhh yes Tom! Havent talked to him in a while, glad he got is car up and out to the track!

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Yea that thing is a beast. He just needs me to detail it haha

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Originally Posted by The Ghost

I wish you luck, but you that would require spooling like stock turbos which would be a tall order.

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2.0L Evo motors are hitting 400wtq with a 9180 around 4600-4700 rpms. We have 50% more displacement so it should be close.

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Originally Posted by Abacus38

2.0L Evo motors are hitting 400wtq with a 9180 around 4600-4700 rpms. We have 50% more displacement so it should be close.

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That never equates out ever, and a very similar Steed Speed manifold to this on that E36 graph we posted is hitting 400WTQ at 3K, but its a MUCH smaller turbo. I am going to say it right now, its not going to happen with a 9180, a smaller turbo and the right tuning I think it can. I mean stock frames are doing it pretty easily at the moment...:)

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