Rod Bearings were ready to give up the ghost.

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02-12-2014, 02:19 PM
GG///M3

Rod Bearings were ready to give up the ghost.

Well a few months back I was looking into replacing my rod bearings as I would be doing a few HPDE events this year. The WPC rod bearing group buy popped up, and I couldn't resist getting in on that.

A little history of the car. I picked up the car in Sept 2013. Before purchasing ran the vin with BMWNA, and they gave me the number to the dealership that serviced the car. When I called them they had informed me that the rod bearings were replaced at 20K miles. The car currently has 163k miles on it.

This Tuesday I dropped the car off at Max Psi to have the rod bearings replaced with the WPC treated stock bearings, and arp bolts. Now keep in mind the previous owner said he changed the oil every 5K miles.

http://www.60-130.com/images/importe..._zpsh40p-1.jpg
:facepalm

Wow am I glad I went ahead, and replaced them.
02-12-2014, 04:03 PM
Steve B. CBR

GG if you don't mind me asking, what did they charge you? Did they have any issues with just replacing the bearings ?
02-12-2014, 04:08 PM
135pats

Wow a few of those are in seriously bad shape. Good call.

Fundamentally is the bearing issue on NA S motors a matter of improper clearance? Wrong recommended oil weight? Generally weak/poor oiling? Curious…
02-12-2014, 04:15 PM
Steve B. CBR

Quote:

Originally Posted by 135pats

Wow a few of those are in seriously bad shape. Good call.

Fundamentally is the bearing issue on NA S motors a matter of improper clearance? Wrong recommended oil weight? Generally weak/poor oiling? Curious…

Poor oil circulation and improper clearance. The clearances are too tight.
02-12-2014, 04:27 PM
135pats

Quote:

Originally Posted by StinkyM

Poor oil circulation and improper clearance. The clearances are too tight.

So it’s just like water pumps…they fail and fail, yet BMW doesn’t appear to make necessary revisions in terms of clearance?

The relatively poor oil circulation can somewhat be excused just due to economics (expensive to really set up a nice oiling system in a mass produced street car).
02-12-2014, 06:28 PM
Steve B. CBR

Quote:

Originally Posted by 135pats

So it’s just like water pumps…they fail and fail, yet BMW doesn’t appear to make necessary revisions in terms of clearance?

The relatively poor oil circulation can somewhat be excused just due to economics (expensive to really set up a nice oiling system in a mass produced street car).

Never knew water pumps were much of an issue. At least in cars after the e36 chassis.
02-12-2014, 06:34 PM
135pats

Quote:

Originally Posted by StinkyM

Never knew water pumps were much of an issue. At least in cars after the e36 chassis.

Perhaps i'm biased as they get absolutely wrecked on N54s with how hot they run...but yea, they fail far too often for a mechanically simple part.
02-12-2014, 06:36 PM
Sticky

I'm really glad you replaced them but was the labor and the cost?

Total to replace?
02-12-2014, 09:16 PM
GG///M3

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sticky

I'm really glad you replaced them but was the labor and the cost?

Total to replace?

Parts & labor was about 1200-1300. Keep in mind I bought the parts myself, and got the rod bearing with group buy pricing(so figure if that wasn't the case the bill would be higher)
02-12-2014, 09:16 PM
Sticky

Quote:

Originally Posted by GG///M3

Parts & labor was about 1200-1300. Keep in mind I bought the parts myself, and got the rod bearing with group buy pricing(so figure if that wasn't the case the bill would be higher)

What about just labor?
02-12-2014, 10:58 PM
Mike@VAC

Good call. The guys did mine at 60k to be safe.

Did you upgrade the oil pump while in there?
02-12-2014, 11:37 PM
Steve B. CBR

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike@VAC

Good call. The guys did mine at 60k to be safe.

Did you upgrade the oil pump while in there?

How much would vac charge?
02-12-2014, 11:40 PM
Mike@VAC

Quote:

Originally Posted by StinkyM

How much would vac charge?

$499 + core for the pump. $$$ well spent, esp if the pan is down.

http://store.vacmotorsports.com/vac-...ump-p1033.aspx
02-13-2014, 12:11 AM
Steve B. CBR

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike@VAC

$499 + core for the pump. $$$ well spent, esp if the pan is down.

http://store.vacmotorsports.com/vac-...ump-p1033.aspx

For the rod bearings?
02-13-2014, 01:06 AM
sammy_0559

Quote:

Originally Posted by GG///M3

Parts & labor was about 1200-1300. Keep in mind I bought the parts myself, and got the rod bearing with group buy pricing(so figure if that wasn't the case the bill would be higher)

That Is CHEAP.

Quote:

Originally Posted by StinkyM

For the rod bearings?

There is a group buy on treated bearings on m3forum.net 293 shipped. http://www.m3forum.net/m3forum/showthread.php?t=468185

WPC treated - GB - any part

I have had a fair amount of emails asking about the GB we did for the WPC bearings. As a close friend of mine wants a set for his Z4 I am posting this again for those who missed the first time.

*Please remember I am not a business and I am doing this as a fellow enthusiasts. So please be respectful and patient. The last GB we had 24 of us buy bearings and went smoothly accept for USPS taking 12 days in a few cases.*

This time around I will manage the order for bearings and any other part you want WPC treated. This includes cams, gears, bearings, other. If you want anything other than OE parts please post it here so we can get other to buy in. I can't get discounts for people if only 1 person wants something.

Before I go through the headache again of doing this I need 10 people minimum to join in. Please ask friends from other forums to partake if they wish. I am posting the kits we had last time.

--------PM if you want to get in on another WPC run and I will send payment details. Deadline for all this is 2/28/14. ------

I did work out a GB price for S54 ARP rod bolts for $146 if you want those.

Cost break down for kit S54

$218.16 --- 6 Upper / 6 Lower bearings
$10.91 ---- Group rate shipping to WPC
$229.07 --- Parts total
$39.00 ---- WPC cost with 20% discount
$20.30 ---- Shipping to me from WPC, then to you
$288.37 --- Total for GB each
$5.00 ----- Just in case I got shipping is wrong

Total to send: $293.37

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Cost break down for kit S54 & OE Bolts

$218.16 --- 6 Upper / 6 Lower bearings
$10.91 ---- Group rate shipping to WPC
$229.07 --- Parts total
$39.00 ---- WPC cost with 20% discount
$20.30 ---- Shipping to me from WPC, then to you
$288.37 --- Total for GB each
$5.00 ----- Just in case I got shipping is wrong

Rod Bolts
42.90 ----- X12 Rod Bolts at $3.41 each and $2 for extra shipping weight 3 legs.

Please send $336.27 for kit and bolts

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S65 Rod Bearing Kit

$166.56 ---- 8 upper Bearing shell, blue
$120.32 ---- 8 lower Bearing shell, red
$286.88 ---- Bearing subtotal
$10.91 ----- Group rate shipping to WPC
$297.79 ---- Parts total
$39.00 ----- WPC cost with 20% discount
$20.30 ----- Shipping to me after treatment then to you
$357.09 ---- Total for GB each
$5.00 ----- Just in case I got shipping is wrong
$362.09 --- Total to PayPal for the kit

11247834522 --- $77.76 -- 16 Rod Bolts @ $4.86 - Delete if not wanted

$525.33 - For bearings and bolts.

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S62 Rod Bearing Kit

$145.44 ---- Bearing shell, blue
$145.44 ---- Bearing shell, red
$290.88 ---- Bearing subtotal
$10.91 ----- Groupe rate shipping to WPC
$301.79 ---- Parts total
$39.00 ----- WPC cost with 20% discount
$20.30 ----- Shipping from WPC to me then to you
$361.09 ---- Total for GB each kit
$8.00 ----- Just in case I got shipping is wrong
$369.09 Total cost charged to you

11241405890 --- $9.64 - 16 Rod Bolts - Delete if not wanted
$154.24 ---- 16 Rod Bolts

525.33 For bearings and bolts.
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02-13-2014, 10:52 AM
GG///M3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSiC7D8patU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvKH-BYQcoM
02-13-2014, 03:16 PM
Payam@BMS

^^ sick demo test.
02-13-2014, 08:54 PM
GG///M3

Quote:

Originally Posted by fastgti69

^^ sick demo test.

Whats awesome is they will do any components you send them, and for you Cali guys its an even faster turn around.